Unruly charges against the youth are pending

[ponto]

A Fayette County Sheriff’s Deputy spotted a 14 year old walking south on U.S. 62 near the Washington-Waterloo Road intersection about 4 a.m. Saturday.

The deputy ran a check on the youth and discovered that they were a runaway from Maysville, Kentucky.

The Maysville Police Department was contacted and the youth’s parents picked them up at the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office.

Source (http://wsrw.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=226193&article=3950302)

[Rebelyell]

I read the story. Exactly what is an "unruly" charge?

[Flame]

Who was this child and when did they run away????????? And what are the "unruly" charges??????

[Rebelyell]

Who was this child and when did they run away????????? And what are the "unruly" charges??????
Actually, no one should name the child. It is against the law.

BUT, I would still like to know exactly what the "unruly" charge is, and perhaps a few more details.

[Chuck]

Unruly. A child under the age of 18 failing to follow the direction of a custodial adult.

Unless the custodial adult told them to leave and never come back.

[TheMan]

It is s status offense for juveniles. I was involved with this incident, and it was really weird. Won't surprise me if there is more come out of this.

[anb_swrk]

Was there a runaway charge pressed on the child too? Unruly is typically followed with a probation sentence - typically compliance, then if the child is unable to do that they are put on official probation, and the juvenile justice court cycle starts. 95% of the kids that I deal with on a daily basis, this was their first charge. Hope this young teens does not become part of this stat!

[mark]

............it's probably a kid without a dad in the house...........see ya mark

[TheMan]

Nope dad and mom in the house.. She was to be with a friend that night.

[Flame]

............it's probably a kid without a dad in the house...........see ya mark


So are you implying children with no fathers in the house are more likely to break the law????

My children do not have a father in the house and I'd like to say I've worked my back side off raising them and instilling morals and values all the while working and going back to school, and my children have not turned out bad. It is not fair to "profile" this group of children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chuck]

The intent of the Unruly charge in Ohio is to start a paper trail on Juveniles that are a problem for their parents.

Flame, a majority of children that become unruly are minus a parent (Generally Fathers) in the home. This is a statistical fact. It is not true for every child or home. No need to be defensive about your family since you are not a part of that statistic. This is a profile-able static as it does not infringe on Race, Creed or Religion.

[Rebelyell]

So are you implying children with no fathers in the house are more likely to break the law????

My children do not have a father in the house and I'd like to say I've worked my back side off raising them and instilling morals and values all the while working and going back to school, and my children have not turned out bad. It is not fair to "profile" this group of children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This study is from about 10 years ago:
Study Finds Teen Pregnancy and Crime Levels are Higher Among Kids from Fatherless Homes
Children reared in fatherless homes are more than twice as likely to become male adolescent delinquents or teen mothers, according to a significant new study by two economists at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Llad Phillips and William S. Comanor based their research on data from random surveys of 15,000 youths conducted annually by the Center for Human Resources at Ohio State University. Their findings suggest that current proposals to provide tax credits and exemptions for single mothers and to collect more child support from absent fathers will have little effect on the problem of delinquency among teenage boys.

"Both measures tacitly accept the father's absence from the home and seek to ameliorate its consequences by increasing the income available to mother and child. However, it requires an increase in family income of approximately $50,000 to counter the father's absence," the economists wrote in a report outlining the results of their study, which were presented at the Western Economics Association meeting in San Francisco on July 1.

Phillips and Comanor designed their study to account for the influence of income, and found that in the case of boys, a minimum of $54,000 in additional family income is necessary to counter the harmful effects of absent fathers. For girls, the figure is much lower-$17,000 a year. The researchers also found that while absent mothers have a negligible impact on male adolescent delinquency, motherless homes are 56 percent more likely to result in teen pregnancy among girls.
Flame,

If you managed, congratulations. Lots of people do, and sometimes raising children on your own is the only option that a woman has. It's better for a woman to raise a child alone than to have an abusive husband around -- or a husband with whom she is just absolutely unable to get along.

That said, the explosion of single-parent families in our society is a cause for concern. Aside from the problems mentioned above, a single parent faces economic challenges that married couples simply do not have.

For example, a high percentage of good jobs require at least some travel, even if only a few days a year. Some require a lot of travel. Essentially these jobs are off-limits to single parents unless they have a sibling or parent who can help with child rearing. Married couple can cover for each other while the spouse travels (or stays late a work, or whatever).

Of course, a single parent with a good support network can get around this problem. BUT, this means the single parent can't move to a new area in search of economic opportunity. She is limited to the jobs available where her support network is located.

There is a lot of talk these days about the increasing economic stratification in our society. There are a lot of factors driving this, including the increase of assortive mating. But the fact is that traditional families are muddling along pretty well economically while single-parent families are struggling more than ever before. This isn't going to change.

The bottom line is that one of the main driving forces behind economic stratification is family formation decisions. Somehow this message isn't being heard by a substantial percentage of Americans.

[kybikertrash]

Actually, no one should name the child. It is against the law.

I thought there was a discussion about this on an earlier thread. I remember someone saying it was not illegal to print the name of a juvenile, that it just wasn't done as a courtesy....maybe "the man" can weigh in on this one.

[Rebelyell]

I thought there was a discussion about this on an earlier thread. I remember someone saying it was not illegal to print the name of a juvenile, that it just wasn't done as a courtesy....maybe "the man" can weigh in on this one.
Actually I should have been more precise. It is not a criminal act for a non-governmental official to release the name of a juvenile. It may not be a criminal act for a police officer to do so.

BUT, one who does so MAY be subject to civil liability. Society has decided that this information should remain confidential, and one who violates this confidentiality does so at his own peril. The tort is Public Disclosure of Private Fact, and a minor who has committed a crime for which he is being charged as a juvenile is entitled to have this fact shielded from the public.

I might also add that potential liability is going to vary greatly from state to state. In the state I come from, for example, the Supreme Court has ruled that parents have the right not to have their child's disability put on display to the world. This means that if you go to the Special Olympics and snap a wonderful picture and publish in your newspaper without a parent's permission you are going to pay cash for invading the family's privacy. This has nothing to do with the case at hand, of course, but it shows just how far some courts are willing to go to shield a child's privacy. Very few states go this far, but you get the idea.

So publishing this child's name is not illegal. I misspoke or miswrote. But IMHO it is civilly actionable in most states.

[TheMan]

It is not a criminal act. But if you do, an official is civilly liable for any unforeseen circumstances.

[Flame]

Do you think a survey done 10 years ago is still up to date?? I'd say if they done that survey today they'd find chidren in two family homes are just as likely to commit crimes as those in single parent families. JMO.

Yes Chuck after working my butt off to see my children are not statistics I do get a little defensive. Had the comment been about one race, religion or ethnic background it seems to be ok for them to become defensive or call the ACLU. I am just tired of hearing comments and I've heard them for years talk about single mothers as if we are a different group in society but no mention of the dirt bags that made us single mothers.

All I got to say about that

[wmjsmallwood]

i'm a single father with 3 kids ,what are the statistics on these kids?just curious,being there was single mothers being picked out ,,,gotta be some kinda stats on households with no mom,,,,

[Flame]

i'm a single father with 3 kids ,what are the statistics on these kids?just curious,being there was single mothers being picked out ,,,gotta be some kinda stats on households with no mom,,,,



Kudos to you sir for raising 3 children and being a single father. It isn't easy no matter if you are a mother or a father. I feel in this day and time the statistics aren't much different even in two parent families. Just my opinion.

[Chuck]

Statistic show that a missing parent, it does not establish any particular gender. These stats are compounded live, daily as Law Enforcement all over the Country enter their Incident Reports daily through the Internet.

These are Country wide statistics. They include places like Los Angeles with like 15 to 20 million people. I hope your dislike for this information isn't based on just what happens in Maysville, Ky. I am sure the few single parents raising children in Maysville are going to offset a Country of statistics.

Why you taking it so personal?

[wmjsmallwood]

lol ,,,its not taking it personal ,but to have your children categorized ,just because of a circumstance ,that they can't help ,to have your children looked upon as less that others ,to have people say your children are more likely to get in or cause trouble is disturbing,,no matter what any stats may say (its way worst that the pit bull ban),i believe my children will survive in todays world better that or as good as most and better that some!because of the hard times they have been through ,they know ,that you can't trust the ones that say trust me!,they know what happens if they commit a small crime or break the law ,they will have to pay the time ,because they don't have the luxury of being able to call their wealthy parents and say come bail me out!with the kind of thinking that you are talking about ,is like telling these kids ,give up ,,,you have no chance,,,,is this what we want to teach the future of America?,the example we want to set ? now tell me ,,if i had said this (and i know you did not ,but your just telling the stats)about your children ,would you not have had to reply with something?i wonder if they did a study on how many single parent children over achieved?,how many became leading citizens in this free country,,?became doctors ,layers ,ceo's ?
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OOH ,,and thank you flame ,kudos to you also ,,,you know what they say ,when the going gets tough ,the tough get going !,,,never give up or quit ,our kids are people too!

[duganjeff]

:............it's probably a kid without a dad in the house...........see ya mark

it dont matter if there is a dad in the home kids now do whatever they want and social services wont help u file out of control charges and tell them if u dont want 2 stay w/mom or dad where do u want 2 go

[Chuck]

Your right wmjsmallwood, Mark did only say probably was a kid without a dad and he has a 75% chance of being correct.

Keep in mind he is only good guess after the fact. He is not basing his comment on a child that doesn't have a problem. The child in question has an issue that needs to be fixed if possible.

I do understand what you are saying and do agree with you. Small town families that are fully functional as a family with only one parent get a black eye from these above stated stats while the small few around here only reinforce them.

[wmjsmallwood]

yea ,but we (single parents )can also look at it from their point (the gov)but if you teach your child respect and morals ,these will be the kids that do well 1 or 2 parent ,you gotta remember ,it really don't matter what you got ----but what you do with what you got,,,wealthy,poor ,1 parent ,2 parent ,,,,,,all you can do is plant the seed in kids when they are very young (at 14 ,15 yrs old ,,too late to start )then be helpful ,give advice when asked and hope you did it right ,,time will usually tell ,,,,,ooh i think the child in question here ,they said had 2 parents by the way!,,good day to all

[superman]

so what actions legally have been taken now the child is back home? r there any charges pending? i hate to hear about young teenagers wandering off by themselves, though i doubt they were alone the entire time. i hope he or she will be alright and learn from this poor choice they had made.

[JIMMY]

Actually, no one should name the child. It is against the law.

BUT, I would still like to know exactly what the "unruly" charge is, and perhaps a few more details.


Technically, it's not against the law to name a child suspect, just a sort of unwritten rule.

[Rebelyell]

Technically, it's not against the law to name a child suspect, just a sort of unwritten rule.
I corrected myself on this. In some or most states it would be considered a civil tort, so you could be sued for doing this. But it is not against the law and you can't go to jail for it.