Cost of Welfare

[kdown]

Welfare spending is so large it is difficult to comprehend. On average, the annual cost of the welfare system amounts to around $5,600 in taxes from each household that paid federal income tax in 2007. Adjusting for inflation, the amount taxpayers now spend on welfare each year is greater than the value of the entire U.S. Gross National Product at the beginning of the 20th century.

[SilverFox]

With the influx of illegals and their ability to draw welfare benefits and food stamps, the cost will continue to grow. If any incident in recent years ever spotlighted the grave consequences of a "welfare society" it was the aftermath of hurricane Katrina and it's long term effects on New Orleans. There were thousands in that city who had "cradle to grave" welfare and had no idea how to fend for themselves or even save their own lives. Other areas who were also hit hard by Katrina, were able to pick themselves up and rebuild.
If another democrat gets in the WH, we will have even more entitlement programs.

[kdown]

If another democrat gets in the WH, we will have even more entitlement programs.

AMEN

[KyYodler]

With the influx of illegals and their ability to draw welfare benefits and food stamps, the cost will continue to grow. If any incident in recent years ever spotlighted the grave consequences of a "welfare society" it was the aftermath of hurricane Katrina and it's long term effects on New Orleans. There were thousands in that city who had "cradle to grave" welfare and had no idea how to fend for themselves or even save their own lives. Other areas who were also hit hard by Katrina, were able to pick themselves up and rebuild.
If another democrat gets in the WH, we will have even more entitlement programs.

You are so right SilverFox...when all of these social programs were started, it was to help people get out of poverty, and after all of the trillions of dollars have been spent there are more living in poverty...shows just how well the Democrats programs work...but then again....it buys votes...

[Brian K Beckett]

I read an artical yesterday that illegals from Central America is decreasing. I would assume they have realized that all the jobs in America are no longer in America and are now mostly in Mexico so they dont need to migrate.

I had a joke sent to me on my phone last week talking about this:

In Mexico when they apply for welfare they give them a map to America a flash light and some bold cutters.

I guess in America when a citizen applies for welfare we need to give them a map to Mexico and a passport so they can follow their job to Mexico.

[Rebelyell]

If another democrat gets in the WH, we will have even more entitlement programs.
As a former George Bush fan, I must observe that he has presided over the greatest increase in entitlement spending in American history. The prescription drug benefit is something we can't afford, and we are paying prices that are often two, three or four times those paid by citizens of other countries. He made it illegal to even negotiate prices with the drug companies.

Many of the cuts that Bill Clinton reluctantly made in the welfare system have been undone under the Bush watch, and domestic spending has gone completely unchecked. During his first six years in office, Bush did not veto a single spending bill.

I'm not sure exactly what we are fighting for in Iraq or even Afghanistan, except perhaps to make those countries so unstable that we will have to keep our troops over there for the next 20 years. Of course, the unrest in Iraq gives the House of Saud a reason to tamp down any dissent, and it keeps the Palestinian issue at bay, which I think is exactly what we want. But it's costing us 100 billion a year or so, and after we're though spending it we still have a giant mess on our hands.

I'm opposed to most welfare, and the thought of giving it to immigrants makes me sick. But don't kid yourself into thinking that the Republicans are going to be good stewards with your money, because they won't be.

Sorry if I sound cynical and mad, but I am cynical and mad.

[Jeremy]

If another democrat gets in the WH, we will have even more entitlement programs.

Screwed either way. While Democrats are more interested in entitlements for people, Republicans are interested in entitlements for corporations. Either way they're going to spend your money somewhere. For every dollar you hand over to the government, 99 cents will be spent on something (the other 1 cent "mysteriously" disappears).

[SilverFox]

George W. Bush certainly did not live up to the conservative agenda with his allowing of runaway spending. A true conservative does not believe in massive entitlement programs. We have to demand that our tax dollars are spent wisely. If the "people" would rise up against "pork" spending in the same manner they did over amnesty and illegals, the pols in D.C. would get the message. I agree, both parties are big spenders, but it is dems who want amnesty for illegals and they are bankrupting many small communities with additional costs for schools, medical care and law enforcement. Newt Gingrich and the 1994 Republican Congress were on the right track and forced clinton to sign welfare reform. Any politician, dem or repub., who votes to waste our tax dollars should be voted out of office. That is were we have the power!

[Brian K Beckett]

Anyone know if it is possible to start a new party? The "Pubs" nor the "Dems" really dont share my views. I dont think they share a lot of peoples views.
I am not a supporter of cradle to grave welfare but at least the Dems giving our money to people on welfare is in a way keeping it in the country. If there are only 2 partys and both are throwing our money away and people have a mind set of "Well theirs nothing I can do about it, the governments going to what they want anyway" I guess the only thing we can do is figure out what way we would want our money wasted and vote for that party. Who knows with the way the econemy is going we might be glad that welfare pays so good because we all might have to be on welfare soon...

[Chuck]

Let's hear it for a new party. Hear, Hear,,,

[Brian K Beckett]

The new party should be called the Constitutionist Party and our colour should be white and our animal should be a Bald Eagle...

Unfortunitaly what I do see happening is The United States of America being replaced as The United States of O.P.E.C.

[mark]

Let's hear it for a new party. Hear, Hear,,,

a 3rd party group only hurts conservative views. It splits the conservative vote & liberals win every time.

Ross Perot proved that.........see ya mark

[Chuck]

a 3rd party group only hurts conservative views. It splits the conservative vote & liberals win every time.

Ross Perot proved that.........see ya mark

Both parties are worthless and I can't tell them apart on views they can really change. A new party would have to start somewhere and soon regardless of the short term cost.

The other option is to curl up in the fetal position and take what is thrown at you.

[tkcomer]

A true constitutional party could not be elected because they would end all welfare. Including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, corporate welfare etc. As far as a new party is concerned, the Libertarian Party is as close to the what the Republican party claims to be. Only they don't lie about their intentions the way the Republicans do. That's why they can't get elected. I gotta admit, with the Democrats, you know what you're getting when you vote for them. If the 'Pubs would only tell the truth about their true intentions, none would get elected. Almost 70 percent of our debt has been caused by those pack of liars. I'll admit, I fell for the Republican's lies for years. No more. Time to send them packing. To bad a majority of the voters can't wake up and see the damage that they are doing to this country. We will pay more taxes. The Democrats will raise them. Somebody has to pay off the massive debt the the Republicans have wracked up. Welfare to the poor is just a pittance compared to the welfare to corporations and well to do that the Republicans have given to.

[SilverFox]

Billions and billions of dollars have been invested in the "war on poverty" since it's inception by Lyndon Johnson in the 60's. Unfortunately, the poor are no better off today. Poverty is always significantly higher in single parent households and since the 60's the number of out of wedlock births has skyrocketed. Helping people to succeed is one thing, but cradle to grave welfare is another. People have to help themselves and many will not if the "government" is always there with a check. Many politicians today play the class envy card and label rich people and corporations as the enemy. This is just absurd. How many of you have been given a job by a poor person?

[tkcomer]

Thanks to the Republicans, a lot of people work for the poor. They work for the government. In case some have forgot, we are the largest debtor nation in the world. The government takes from the poor to pay their employees. A lot of stock in major corporations is owned by the not so well to do. So you could say those people are working for the the struggling middle class trying to get ahead. Corporate taxes are at their lowest levels in decades. The rich pay a far greater percentage of income taxes than ever. That's because the middle class and poor have fallen behind and the rich have corralled a greater percentage of wealth in this country. Even with their lower tax rates, the rich are still paying a large percentage of income taxes because everyone else is falling behind. As far as the Democrat's "war on poverty" goes, at least that was an attempt to give a helping hand to the downtrodden. Compare that to the "war on drugs" or the "war on terror". Far more billions of tax dollars have been given away to create huge government bureaucracies and the military industrial complex to "fight" those wars. And let's not forget the Republicans mantra that government is the problem. Jeeze. This bunch is so paranoid, they're spending billions to spy on their own people. The Republicans are the problem. And with the help of the "liberal" media, the voters line up like lemmings and keep voting those criminals back in. The manufactured hatred of Democrats has blinded the Republican voters. If those voters could only open their closed minds, stand back and take a hard look at the loss of liberties, excessive government programs, the billions of dollars spent spying on them, the massive debt their party has racked up, they too would come to their senses like I did. And vote all Republicans out. The Democrats have no cure, but the Republicans are bleeding us to death.

[SilverFox]

If not for the fact that we all will suffer if the dems take the WH, it would be a lovely lesson for those who seem to ignore the fact that dems believe in BIG government, will indeed take away the tax cuts, and since dems are horrible at national security, we would probably be attacked once again. The democrat party has been taken over by the radical left and there is no doubt they want God removed from every aspect of our lives, they believe in income re-distribution, they, in fact, want a total "nanny" state. Oh, they also want amnesty for the 20 to 30 million illegals already here.

[tkcomer]

The Dems only say they want big government. Their biggest problem is how to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Republicans have created big government in ways the Dems could only dream about. Government programs have grown by leaps and bounds under Pub rule. Plus, they won't even pay their way. They're too stupid to even think about fiscal responsibility. Welfare has exploded under Pub rule. More people get welfare handouts from the Pubs than in any other time in history. And the most massive redistribution of income has already occurred, thanks to the Pub's policies. The thing that amazes me is, the complaints of the rabid right about the Dems have been or is in the process of been done by the Pubs. Thanks to the "liberal" media, the Pubs have been successful at all complaints of the rabid right while blaming it all on the Dems. And the stupid voters actually fall for it time and again. And I never understood the Pubs fascination with God. It's obvious they don't believe in Him. Or else they wouldn't take our nation's children to kill people in other countries they don't like and killing scores of our children doing it at the time. How will a Pub voter explain to God why they voted for these murderous leaders time after time at the expense of the poor? But, then again, they won't have to. They won't be headed in "that" direction.

[Unregistered]

Did someone say PARTY............I am all for that one.

[Brian K Beckett]

Silver Fox I hear this battle cry all the time how poeple want to take God out of everybodies lives. How are they trying to do this??? In what ways??? And who is trying to do this??? I get these e mails all the time saying this but no one knows who is doing this???

[mark]

How many of you have been given a job by a poor person?

............Oh how I really love that line. It's sooooo true...........see ya mark
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The Dems only say they want big government. Their biggest problem is how to pay for it. Meanwhile, the Republicans have created big government in ways the Dems could only dream about. Government programs have grown by leaps and bounds under Pub rule. Plus, they won't even pay their way. They're too stupid to even think about fiscal responsibility. Welfare has exploded under Pub rule. More people get welfare handouts from the Pubs than in any other time in history. And the most massive redistribution of income has already occurred, thanks to the Pub's policies. The thing that amazes me is, the complaints of the rabid right about the Dems have been or is in the process of been done by the Pubs. Thanks to the "liberal" media, the Pubs have been successful at all complaints of the rabid right while blaming it all on the Dems. And the stupid voters actually fall for it time and again. And I never understood the Pubs fascination with God. It's obvious they don't believe in Him. Or else they wouldn't take our nation's children to kill people in other countries they don't like and killing scores of our children doing it at the time. How will a Pub voter explain to God why they voted for these murderous leaders time after time at the expense of the poor? But, then again, they won't have to. They won't be headed in "that" direction.

You know, TK is right. What scares me in Jan 09 is..........if the dems do get control, the above programs will double more in size that under "pub" rules.........see ya mark

[SilverFox]

The ACLU, now a radical left group, has been bringing lawsuits for years over any image of God or any mention of God in our schools. Have you not heard of their numerous attempts to block the Nativity scene from ever being displayed? There is and has been a blatant campaign to remove God from our daily life and to insure that children never hear the word.
We ignore this risk at our peril.

[Brian K Beckett]

The ACLU is protecting my rights by not wasting my tax dollars on these displays. They are not stopping anyone or any private organization from doing anything religios they want. Me personally I dont care if its displayed or not. I do have a problem with religion being taught in a public school. I do have a problem with someone makeing me pray. I do have a problem with making me say "One nation under God" in the pleadge of allegience. But since for a long time now that phrase has been added I dont have a problem standing next to someone while reciteing it and they say it while I pause for a moment and I would not have a problem if we went back to the original saying of the pleade of allegience.
The ACLU is not trying to keep anyone from prayin in schools or anywhere at any time. They are just trying to keep a tax dollar led prayer. If you ever find a place in America where an indivigual can not pray let me know where that is and I will go to that place with you and I will even pray with you.
Public Schools are not a church nor should a teacher in a public school be teaching religion. The ACLU is protecting my right from being forced into religion. Not keeping an indivigual from practicing religion.

[SilverFox]

The ACLU is funded in large part by George Soros and Peter Lewis, a couple of vastly wealthy socialists. The ACLU defends NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Assoc.) The ACLU could care less about saving taxpayer dollars, they want to change our society as we know it, period.

[Brian K Beckett]

NAMBLA is that real??? I saw that on a South Park episode onece. I thought it was a joke.

[kdown]

Somehow this thread about welfare has now become ACLU, Man>Boy, etc........LOL

[SilverFox]

Yes, NAMBLA is an organization that wants sexual relationships between men and boys to be legal. They have a website and a lot of money backing them. A truly sick, evil group.
I know this is not the original theme of this post, but it is another illustration of the radical left's goals for our Country.

[Brian K Beckett]

Wow I guess the nambla thing is real and not just the imagination of South Park cartoon. I wonder if the episode about Al Gore trying to warn us about The man/bear/pig creature is real??? LOL
So the radical left wants us to all do the nambla thing, live on welfare, burn Bibles, turn muslim, turn athiest, and run over nativity scenes with out hybrid cars right???

So what is the agenda of the radical right? Why is the radical right opposed to civil liberties?

[SilverFox]

Make fun all you want, but these are very serious issues and we ignore them at our peril.
I know of no one on the "right" who opposes civil liberties. Name one civil liberty you have lost. We are in a war on terror, but the only ones who need worry are terrorists and their supporters.

[kdown]

.......and don't confuse me with facts