OK, here's a film on the Federal Reserve you have to see

[Rebelyell]

Anyone who has read my posts knows I'm no liberal. I have come to the conclusion that it's time for American troops to come home from wherever they are.

This film is really interesting. Not sure I like the Hippie Peace Love ending. But it is a really interesting film. There's one real stunner about mid-way through the film, but I'll let you see that on your own.

Brian Beckett, if you haven't seen this, you'll love it.

Zeitgeist: The Real Inconvenient Truth (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8327148782580361551&q=zeitgeist+federal+reserve+site%3Avideo.google.co m&total=36&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Just an additional note. This film is different at the end from the version I watched. Like I said, I'm not so in to the ending as the body of the film. It's pretty interesting.

[Brian K Beckett]

Where can I get it???

Is that it in the link?

[Rebelyell]

Where can I get it???

Is that it in the link?

That's it in the link. You won't be able to quit watching.

[Brian K Beckett]

I better wait till I get home to watch it. But I will check it out.

[Rebelyell]

After you watch the film, you might want to read the speech that may have gotten Louis McFadden murdered.

Here's a quote that could have been spoken today:

"Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to foreigners? Why should the Fed be permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world? Do you know why the tariff was raised? It was raised to shut out the flood of Fed Goods pouring in here from every quarter of the globe- cheap goods, produced by cheaply paid foreign labor, on unlimited supplies of money and credit sent out of this Country by the dishonest and unscrupulous Fed..."


http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy28.htm

[Brian K Beckett]

After you watch the film, you might want to read the speech that may have gotten Louis McFadden murdered.

Here's a quote that could have been spoken today:

"Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to foreigners? Why should the Fed be permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world? Do you know why the tariff was raised? It was raised to shut out the flood of Fed Goods pouring in here from every quarter of the globe- cheap goods, produced by cheaply paid foreign labor, on unlimited supplies of money and credit sent out of this Country by the dishonest and unscrupulous Fed..."


http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy28.htm


As for the quote I find it amazing that it was made in the 1930s.




I got to ask one question. Why did you think of me?


I dont know how true this video is. I do know it was way more entertaining then Al Gores An Inconvienent truth. I still cant sit still long enough to watch it. But I did watch this video from start to finish. Here is what I think

1. It is evident to me that the kids that graduate School now a days are not as smart as they used to be. Example ( Where I work we get new people about the end of sumer. I have noticed they can not think for them selves no matter how much they are shown and they keep getting worse)
So do I think that maybe they dont want kids educated? Yes
I once saw a demonstration on wild dogs (wolves) and domestic dogs and how they came fron the same place but thought different. They took a piece of meat and put it in a cage. The wolf tried everything to get the meat out and wouldent stop. The domestic dog sniffed it, pawed at it briefly and then looked at the human to get it for them. Does that sound familiar???

2. I have herd of the Combining of United States, Mexico, and Canada. To create the American Union and to convert our curriencies into a Euro type dollar like in Europe. I guess we will know that their is some truth to this when we are required to carry a ID card in May of this year.
I also remember before 9/11 how most religious people were against the internet and thougth it was a mark of the beast. I also remember them being completly against having a chip implant. I wonder if they still are???

3. As for the WAR consperiocies I am not that up to date on my history of WW1 but I will say I know a little about WW2 I have often asked myself why didnt we see them on radar? We had radar in 1945. I saw a documentary on it couple of years ago and it said that the men running radar that day did see something on radar. They reported it to their superiors and their superiors thought it was just a flock of birds.
Think about it. WW2 was going on a few years before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Dont you think that if you saw something on a radar screen you would send some planes to check it out. And another question. With a major war going on why would you put allmost 80% of your Navy in the same area and especially an area that is that volnurable???

4. Why haven we found Bin Laden??? Think about it. We have satalite cameras that can read Abe Lincolns face on a penny from the roof of my house, and they cant find this guy. I mean no disrespect to the troops in that statement.

5. As far as the patriat act and loosing civil liberties like warrentless wire taping and search and seazure that is allowed by the Patriate act just because we are scared and need to be protected just shows that in a way we have lost the war on Terrorism. I know I will catch some flack for that statement but think about it. We have allowed and embraced the changing of the AMERICAN way of life. and when the AMERICAN way of life has been changed we loose.


6. I dont know if what is in this film is true but I do believe something is going on. I have said many times that the level of incompatancy from the Government in the past few years is unbelieveable. A person or persons have got to realy work that hard to be that incompatant. Its like a slide of hand majic trick. Americans are being distracted by the one hand while the other is doing the trick. I remember a time in my short life when Americans hated change. Now things change around us with out us noticing them. Things are so screwed up and we allmost dont notice it because it has become the norm for us.

7. I tried to find out more about the makers of this movie. Google is the only ones that have any information on them. They even had a web site that was working a few months ago that address has now been replaced by Go Daddy . com





9. Chuck, Mark, TK and especially Jeremy I would love to hear your comments on this film. It is 53 min long but it is interesting


I know I will think of more to comment on but I dont have time to do it at the momment.

[Rebelyell]

Brian, in answer to your question "Why did you think of me," purely from your posts on the board, I thought you would be interested, particularly from the Iraq/civil liberties angle.

I just wanted to post one more update on this film. The original link that I posted is a splice job of the original film. It's interesting to watch. The original film is at

http://zeitgeistmovie.com

The full-length film is two hours long and I haven't seen all of it. The first third is an attack on the Christian religion. I assume that is why many people have edited out the first part and reposted the film on the Internet. I still think the film is worth watching. You don't have to agree with everything you see.

[Brian K Beckett]

8. I think this film would get more attention if it focused more on how religion is being wiped out. No Offence to anyone of any religion but it seem like most dont care about anything unless it is talking about taking God out of something. And if this film is true you wont have to worry about the ten commandments being posted in schools because the ten commandments wont exist anymore. They will be burning Bibles like when Nazis had their book burnings. A lot of what was discussed in this film is eerily familiar to the rise of Nazi Germany.

Brian, in answer to your question "Why did you think of me," purely from your posts on the board, I thought you would be interested, particularly from the Iraq/civil liberties angle.

I just wanted to post one more update on this film. The original link that I posted is a splice job of the original film. It's interesting to watch. The original film is at

http://zeitgeistmovie.com

The full-length film is two hours long and I haven't seen all of it. The first third is an attack on organized religion. I assume that is why many people have edited out the first part and reposted the film on the Internet. I'm going to watch the film in its original form and will report back.


See if you can find a place to buy it on DVD Or download it instead of streaming video.

[Chuck]

Most of the edited clips are the same thing I say in my posts here. From the FRS to GWB and family involvement wit Oil and Banks.

Religion is stronger now than ever. Religion is not even close to being "Wiped Out". This is self evident by the number of Churches on each block you drive. Low quality religion might be disappearing. Like the mom and pop churches.

[ponto]

Low quality religion might be disappearing. Like the mom and pop churches.

Are they (mom and pop churches) being replaced by the "big box" churches? lol

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Or are the free standing, drive-thru franchises holding their own in this new sales and marketing plan?

Does this mean the think local, buy local phrase no longer applies to religion?

Did NAFTA take away our ability to manufacture religion in the USA ?

Is our religion "stamped" Made In Rome or Made In China?:):):):):):)

Google search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22low+quality+religion%22+&btnG=Google+Search)

photo from WOK media (http://www.wokmedia.com/?page_id=7)

[Chuck]

Are they (mom and pop churches) being replaced by the "big box" churches? lol

Does this mean the think local, buy local phrase no longer applies to religion?

Did NAFTA take away our ability to manufacture religion in the USA ?

Is our religion "stamped" Made In Rome or Made In China?


Religion was the 1st product to out source starting sometime in the 70's. While currently it is not too far overseas yet it is still not buy local. TV Evangelism got it's major boost in the 1980's making it to convenient to get you variety on the TV.

TV Evangelist are slowly being replaced by Internet Evangelism and many people are getting their daily does of God through Email Sermons.

[ponto]

I thought I was being funny, guess my sense of humor didn't translate to the internet.
It was the phrase "Low quality religion" and the mom and pop thing that got me started down a wierd road.
I think my sense of humor needs a 12 step program.

[Chuck]

I got your sense of humor and it did translat through your post. I see an opurtunity to get a real post in the mix and keep it real. LOL

Is that part of the 12 steps. lmbo

[ponto]

Keepn' it real, dog..............



.

[TheMan]

Lemme answer number 3 If I may Brian..

The pacific Fleet was stationed in Pearl Harbor, this includes the air craft carriers that happened to be out on maneuvers the day that Japan attacked. The radar men did see something that day but the brass blew it off as a flight from the main land due in that day. I have never been into conspiracy theories. But this one was too perfect. Carriers gone.. but the other less-essential ships docked in harbour? Come on.. Not to mention that the planes on base were lined up close together to keep would be saboteurs at bay.. Actually made the Japanese pilot's job much easier. The fact that all ships in dock had minimum staff, during a time of world wide war was unheard of even in those days. I could go on and on, but won't bore you or anyone else with my useless knowledge.

Anyway.. Thats the only one I'm going to comment on, mostly becuase thats allot of stuff you all have typed up there and I'm too lazy to read it.

[Brian K Beckett]

Lemme answer number 3 If I may Brian..

The pacific Fleet was stationed in Pearl Harbor, this includes the air craft carriers that happened to be out on maneuvers the day that Japan attacked. The radar men did see something that day but the brass blew it off as a flight from the main land due in that day. I have never been into conspiracy theories. But this one was too perfect. Carriers gone.. but the other less-essential ships docked in harbour? Come on.. Not to mention that the planes on base were lined up close together to keep would be saboteurs at bay.. Actually made the Japanese pilot's job much easier. The fact that all ships in dock had minimum staff, during a time of world wide war was unheard of even in those days. I could go on and on, but won't bore you or anyone else with my useless knowledge.

Anyway.. Thats the only one I'm going to comment on, mostly becuase thats allot of stuff you all have typed up there and I'm too lazy to read it.


Watching that video was a lot for my small brain to comprehend!!!

Anyone know or remember about the beginning of Vietnam??? Was the destroyer being attacked really proven to be staged??? They really didnt show much evidence in the film.

Religion was the 1st product to out source starting sometime in the 70's. While currently it is not too far overseas yet it is still not buy local. TV Evangelism got it's major boost in the 1980's making it to convenient to get you variety on the TV.

TV Evangelist are slowly being replaced by Internet Evangelism and many people are getting their daily does of God through Email Sermons.



Thats kind of scary. Sermon by e mail. Is that for real??? Thats like letting someone dictate to you the meaning of the Bible to their way without allowing a group to freely think and discuss it.

[ionlyworkhere]

Lemme answer number 3 If I may Brian..

I have never been into conspiracy theories. But this one was too perfect. Carriers gone.. but the other less-essential ships docked in harbour? .

The less essential ships were out at sea. Before the raid on Pearl Harbor, the fleet was centered around the battleship, the loss of which forced the Navy to recenter itself around the only major ship they had left. The aircraft carrier. It turned out to be by far the best strategy as we still use it today. Apparently the Japanese already know how effective the Aircraft Carrier was when taking the war from island to island. But remember, Big Mo was still brought out of mothballs to pound the bejebbers out of the Iraqi army when we kicked them out of Kuwait.

[Rebelyell]

Let me just tell you, the full film really bothered me.

1. Building 7 (not hit by a plane): Does anyone know of any case any time where a steel skyscraper building caught on fire and was burning, but apparently not all that bad, and then suddenly just collapsed into a cloud of dust in seven seconds? Any other time in the history of modern man?

2. Does anybody know of any plane crash in the history of the world that produce enough heat to vaporize the wings and engines of the plane? If so, were the bodies left intact?

If we are expected to believe the "official" line, then this is what we are expected to believe.

[tkcomer]

Whew! That thing was almost 2 hours long. If true, the part on religion disturbed me. But, I don't know much about pagan history to know if everything that the show said was true. Then again, I've never put too much faith in conspiracy theories. I don't think the federal reserve had much to do with a lot of this. It's no secret that we were itching to get into WWI and WWII. Those are facts. And we were in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin. It was an excuse to escalate things. And, it was based on a lie. The reason we didn't go after certain targets was our fear of the Chinese. Who showed us in Korea that massive amounts of bodies was no match for the massive amount ammo that we poured on them. With enough bodies, using conventional methods, you could overpower any position. As far as the World Trade centers go, I've seen so many theories on both sides that it makes my head spin. Kinda like the ones that said we didn't go to the moon. It is now well known that Bush wanted to go into Iraq right after he got elected. Too many of his cronies have jumped ship and said so. That's another reason I don't believe in conspiracy theories. You just can't keep secrets with that many people involved. Even the Republican darling, Greenspan, said it was about oil. But I do agree with one aspect. The voters could put a stop to all this. Because they believe the lies told by a liberal media (Controlled by big business) and vote for those lies, this insanity will continue. When the majority vote to do away with their rights for security and believe killing innocents in other countries is the right thing to do, what's an educated voter to do?

[Maxwells]

WOW: I have been saying this all along....about the buildings coming down.....

[Brian K Beckett]

TK I usually dont believe in Consperacy Theerioes either. I cont say as if I really believe in this one. Seems a little far fetched. But I do believe that something is going on and has been going on.

1. Oil companies have raised gas over 200% in a very few years. They say its due to not being able to refine it fast enough and its costing them more to refine. We all know this is a bunch of B.S. A few years ago they were reporting that they were making more profit in a quarter then they ever have annually. They sad thing is us Americans did and have done nothing about it. Even worse we havent really said that much about it.

2. Their has been a HUGE increase in cancer and disease and even finding it in younger and younger people. This even after we removed murcury, asbestos, lead, and allmost completly ended smoking. Why is it still increasing? Why is it affecting younger people then ever before? I dont think you can convience me that fast food is to blame for it.

Those are just a couple of things that I see and I know everyone else has got to be seeing but what I find more troubling is how we as Americans are passing it off as NORMAL. It doesent take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is going on.



If anyone wants a copy of the film on DVD PM me I probably just wasted my money but I ordered it cause I dont think I can look at my computer screen for two hours. According to their website that I ordered it from they encourage you to make copies and give them away. I should (HOPEFULLY) recieve it by next week.

[Chuck]

Brian, it is not a theory if it is backed by fact.

[Brian K Beckett]

That is true. They have shown some convincing evidence to what they claim. But it is mostly one sided. If their is another thing I have learned in my life experiences it is that you always need to look at everything at all angles. Look at all sides. And sometimes its better or easier to see things from outside the box.
I am still trying to digest it.

[Chuck]

Since I dealt with this topic in college (1981) I feel I did look it it from outside the box. I was a Reagan fan at the time and refused to believe it. I wish you luck on your studies of this film. Post back any documented counter facts to it.

[Rebelyell]

Guys, I'm seeing things that I simply cannot believe.

The "Project for the New American Century" is a Neo-Con organization that has been highly influental in getting us into Iraq and in the whole military buildup. These are their goals, which can be found in their report:

"Rebuilding America's Defenses." (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)

To carry out these core missions, we need to provide sufficient force and budgetary allocations. In particular, the United States must:

MAINTAIN NUCLEAR STRATEGIC SUPERIORITY, basing the U.S. deterrent upon a global, nuclear net assessment that weighs the full range of current and emerging threats, not merely the U.S.-Russia balance.

RESTORE THE PERSONNEL STRENGTH of today’s force to roughly the levels anticipated in the “Base Force” outlined by the Bush Administration, an increase in active-duty strength from 1.4 million to 1.6 million.

REPOSITION U.S. FORCES to respond to 21st century strategic realities by shifting permanently-based forces to Southeast Europe and Southeast Asia, and by changing naval deployment patterns to reflect growing U.S. strategic concerns in East Asia.

MODERNIZE CURRENT U.S. FORCES SELECTIVELY, proceeding with the F-22 program while increasing purchases of lift, electronic support and other aircraft; expanding submarine and surface combatant fleets; purchasing Comanche helicopters and medium-weight ground vehicles for the Army, and the V-22 Osprey “tilt-rotor” aircraft for the Marine Corps.

CANCEL “ROADBLOCK” PROGRAMS such as the Joint Strike Fighter, CVX aircraft carrier, and Crusader howitzer system that would absorb exorbitant amounts of Pentagon funding while providing limited improvements to current capabilities. Savings from these canceled programs should be used to spur the process of military transformation.

DEVELOP AND DEPLOY GLOBAL MISSILE DEFENSES to defend the American homeland and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world.

CONTROL THE NEW “INTERNATIONAL COMMONS” OF SPACE AND “CYBERSPACE,” and pave the way for the creation of a new military service – U.S. Space Forces – with the mission of space control.

EXPLOIT THE “REVOLUTION IN MILITARY AFFAIRS” to insure the long-term superiority of U.S. conventional forces. Establish a two-stage transformation process which
• maximizes the value of current weapons systems through the application of advanced technologies, and,
• produces more profound improvements in military capabilities, encourages competition between single services and joint-service experimentation efforts.
INCREASE DEFENSE SPENDING gradually to a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually.

In relation to the Persian Gulf, citing particularly Iraq and Iran, Rebuilding America's Defenses states that "while the unresolved conflict in Iraq provides the immediate justification [for U.S. military presence], the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" and "Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region."

Many of the military goals make sense, but this document, written in 1997, makes clear that these men have had for years the goal of putting massive numbers of troops in the Middle East.

Signers of this group's statement of principals inclue William Kristol, Elliott Abrams, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Steve Forbes, Scooter Libby, and Paul Wolfowitz, plus many others.

Okay, now that I've bored you, go back up to the link I've included up at the top of this post. I know none of you are going to read the whole thing. But turn to page 51 (this will show as page 63 in your Acrobat document but 51 on the page). Now read the first paragraph.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Brian K Beckett]

Wanna read something even scairier??? Read the PATRIOT ACT!!!

It dont matter if you get it from a left wing or right wing site!!!

[tkcomer]

Eisenhower warned us about the neocons. Kinda funny to do so after he was involved in the overthrow of the leader of Iran and got us started in Viet Nam. The neocons have always wanted to stir up trouble. They got a good start under Reagan and the first Bush, and ran wild under this Bush. Once you have an idea of what they're up to, it's hard to vote Republican as that is the party that supports them. They could care less about killing innocents and our finest to get to their goal of controlling the oil fields of other countries. In the early days, it was about putting murderous dictators in office that would support our goals. And it's no secret the federal reserve is out to make money. They could care less about the little guy. I still think 9/11 was a surprise. Our government was caught off guard when Pakistan detonated a nuclear bomb and had no idea that Russia was about to collapse. If the CIA didn't know that, how could they know about a few guys planning to run planes into buildings? Because they were too busy plotting the overthrow of foreign governments. Once again, this could all be brought to a halt if we would just toss the incumbents out. I've said it before. We, the stupid voters, will bring this country down.

[Brian K Beckett]

Rebel yell it states at the top of the document that its dated September 2000.

I dont know yet if I am impressed that this was exact planning for what could happen in the future. Or POed that it is planning of what they are going to do in the future. Either way in the year 2000 NO ONE was talking about what is in this document. NO ONE. And now it look allmost like this document was a Miss Cleo psychic reading that she actually predicted correctly.

Whew! That thing was almost 2 hours long. If true, the part on religion disturbed me. But, I don't know much about pagan history to know if everything that the show said was true. Then again, I've never put too much faith in conspiracy theories. I don't think the federal reserve had much to do with a lot of this. It's no secret that we were itching to get into WWI and WWII. Those are facts. And we were in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin. It was an excuse to escalate things. And, it was based on a lie. The reason we didn't go after certain targets was our fear of the Chinese. Who showed us in Korea that massive amounts of bodies was no match for the massive amount ammo that we poured on them. With enough bodies, using conventional methods, you could overpower any position. As far as the World Trade centers go, I've seen so many theories on both sides that it makes my head spin. Kinda like the ones that said we didn't go to the moon. It is now well known that Bush wanted to go into Iraq right after he got elected. Too many of his cronies have jumped ship and said so. That's another reason I don't believe in conspiracy theories. You just can't keep secrets with that many people involved. Even the Republican darling, Greenspan, said it was about oil. But I do agree with one aspect. The voters could put a stop to all this. Because they believe the lies told by a liberal media (Controlled by big business) and vote for those lies, this insanity will continue. When the majority vote to do away with their rights for security and believe killing innocents in other countries is the right thing to do, what's an educated voter to do?

TK I dont know if I positivley believe the US was involved in a consperiacy on 9/11 but it is obvious a group of people conspired to do it. Be it Terrorist or whoever. True it would seem like if US had involvement in it someone would have slipped up. But if you were involved or had knowledge of 9/11 and didnt do anything brfore to stop it, would you speak up now???

Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets;


Included in the nations the Joint Chiefs suggested as targets for covert attacks were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Since both were members of the British Commonwealth, the Joint Chiefs hoped that by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could incite the people of the United Kingdom into supporting a war against Castro



The document's first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a ship at sea and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using an unmanned ship and fake funerals instead.



Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[tkcomer]

Anytime you have a leader or a country that displeases the United States, the military works on a plan to take that "threat" out. That way they can act quickly if the president or other covert parts of the government decides to approve that plan. They can come up with some pretty hair brained ideas. Most just die. And that's the problem. ALL of those plans should die. President Ford was appalled at what was going on behind the scenes when he took over. And was going to deal with it after the election. But the media kept harping on how he pardoned Nixon and he lost. Makes ya wonder if the neocons didn't get the media to keep printing stories on that so he would lose. As far as 9/11 goes, Osama said repeatedly he was going to attack. He even said flying the planes into the buildings was all he had hoped for. He has said that all we have to do is leave the Middle East alone and if we do that, he will order no more attacks against us. The sad part is, he has been pretty much truthful in his words and actions, while our government has lied through their teeth to us. I don't think the government was involved in 9/11. But I wonder if they allowed it to happen. The neocons and the right wing has been pretty successful at using the "liberal" media to push their goals. They use that media to rally the voters into cheering them on as they go after the "enemy at the gates". And pouring money into the military complex does make the federal reserve lots of money. The government has to borrow that money to support the military. The taxpayers are the ones that end up paying that. And by the way, did anyone watch the first part on religion? Is any of that true?

[I dont know]

Guys, I'm seeing things that I simply cannot believe.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.



I am aware of something even more unbelieveable, and something that you should realy be afraid of.


Check out

American Concentration Camps


The Military Commission Act of 2006 Read it. Its long


Operation Cable Splicer A possible future operation

[Foxy]

can someone give me a synopsis of this movie, with out writing a book... wow these threads are long!!

[I dont know]

New World Order
And im not talking about wrestling

The reason the post are long is because the documents that they come from are usually around a hundred or more recent government documents.
To put it in a nut shell or try too it is showing how The Federal Reserve is running the show. Bush is a puppet. it ( this post I haven seen the whole movie yet ) also shows how if some form of (Terrorist Attack) happens before the next election then The Bush Administration would be like a dictatorship. Also post on this thread show concentration camps being built right here in America that could be used to hold you just for criticizing Bush on his policies. There are believed to be over 800 of these camps known and still being built. Even in Kentucky and Ohio.
I hope it wasent too long. That is the reason these bills got passed to begin with few politicians read them and the rest just followed blindly like sheep.
This is not just another criticizing at Bush or Republicans, it has been being done with Democrats as well.

[Brian K Beckett]

rebell yell have you found out anymore info? I have been noticing a lot of the stuff in the video about the stock market crash of the 20s 30s is familiar with what is going on today with JP Morgan and Bear Stearns. It is also familiar with what the federal reserve is doing with other small business loans.


Can someone explain how the stock markets work? The stock Markets from what I have studied look a lot like a pyramid scam...

[Brian K Beckett]

Ten Days That Changed Capitalism

The past 10 days will be remembered as the time the U.S. government discarded a half-century of rules to save American financial capitalism from collapse.

On the Richter scale of government activism, the government's recent actions don't (yet) register at FDR levels. They are shrouded in technicalities and buried in a pile of new acronyms.


But something big just happened. It happened without an explicit vote by Congress. And, though the Treasury hasn't cut any checks for housing or Wall Street rescues, billions of dollars of taxpayer money were put at risk. A Republican administration, not eager to be viewed as the second coming of the Hoover administration, showed it no longer believes the market can sort out the mess.




More here http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120657397294066915.html?mod=yhoofront










Bush seeks financial regulation overhaul

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is proposing a sweeping overhaul of the way the government regulates the nation's financial services industry from banks and securities firms to mortgage brokers and insurance companies.

The plan would give major new powers to the Federal Reserve, according to a 22-page executive summary obtained by The Associated Press.

The Fed would be given broad authority to oversee financial market stability. That would include new powers to examine the books of any institution deemed to represent a potential threat to the proper functioning of the overall financial system.




More here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_on_go_pr_wh/fed_overhaul

[tkcomer]

Ya know, I don't know enough about finance to understand if this is good or bad. During the depression, the government didn't owe much money to the federal reserve. Today, the government owes a lot, so a deep depression would throw the government into default. Federal reserve wouldn't want that as even they would lose money. A lot of alarm bells are going off about the government's spending habits and the debt they're piling up. In a few years, the government will only be able to pay out on Medicare, Medicade, Social Security and ........ interest on the debt. As long as the federal reserve gets that interest, they could care less about everything else.

[ponto]

Think of it this way, your playing monopoly with someone who has an unlimited supply freshly printed money, that you continue to accept and play the game until your broke.

Then they give you some more money to keep playing. Which sounds good because your still in the game.

Then you get up to get a beer and the "refrigerator" won't take your "money" because it is just monopoly money (no gold standard).

You have signed away your property, so you are left with nothing. (No way to produce a tangible product on your own).

The other broke players join you in the kitchen and you find out that the only thing still worth anything is food, water, and ammo for your gun if you still have one.

[Brian K Beckett]

Good explanitation Ponto. Just one big problem with that. The gun becomes useless if you do not have the land to hunt and raise your food. The difference between a depression in the 30s and a depression today is in the 30s there was enough farming spread out so that all areas could maintain life to an extent while being (cut off) from the rest of the world. A depression today would be gravely devistating because we have gone with "SUPERFARMS" that are mostly in a few areas and are shiped across the country.


Now about what I have learned about how the money systems work. Today its not backed by gold like it used to be. Its controlled by how much is in circulation. And from what I see its not like a supply and demand. More of it in circulation means its worth more. Less of it in circulation makes it worth less. That makes it work backwards from supply and demand. Now the price of the dollar is droping ( Less in circulation ). Where did it go? What has happend that money is not in circulation? What have we done with our money that makes it not circulate anymore? Like MARK always says follow the money. What have we been paying more for in the past decade? GAS!!! it has gone up 200% in less then 8 yrs. They are hording all the money makeing it devalue.
You got to spend money to make money!!! Think about what that means. If you are not spending money (circulating it) then you are not making money.

[ponto]

Good explanation Ponto. Just one big problem with that. The gun becomes useless if you do not have the land to hunt and raise your food.

You assume the ammo and gun are for hunting wild game for food. That is a mistake. Ammo becomes the new gold standard.

You are correct about the super farm problem. The food supply problem has gone past the critical stage. Big business has fought to keep point of origin labeling off of food products for several years now.

We see a glimpse of the super farm future when there is a huge food product recall for domestic or foreign food items.

The other concern would be just what countries in the world are growing and shipping food items to the USA. They could care less that we banned the chemicals they use years ago.

[Brian K Beckett]

Rebell Yell have you found out anything more? Anything interesting?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb

I herd about a plan by the Air Force a few years back about developing a non leathel chemical weapon called the GAY BOMB that would make enemy combatants become well gay. I always thought it would be an impossible thing to develop untill I saw this commercial on TV one day. Its for the prescription drug mirapex which is for restless leg syndrome, its side effects include increased gambling or sexual urges.
Now if they can make a pill that gives you that, then I know they can produce a GAY BOMB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskNWgpT0m4

[acoolmom777]

Also post on this thread show concentration camps being built right here in America that could be used to hold you just for criticizing Bush on his policies. There are believed to be over 800 of these camps known and still being built. Even in Kentucky and Ohio.


This has been going on for years now...they have been revamping old prisons and we were never the wiser...the miltary bases that closed a few years back...they put alot of money back into them to "conform them for future use"...hummm

[Brian K Beckett]

I have been reading about the prison camps. The only thing is I havent been able to find any real creditable websites to support them. I did find a government document where Haliburtons Brown n Root was given contracts thru Homeland Security to have built some large scale prisons in closed down military bases.

I have only one problem with the zeitgeist movie. I cant seem to find out much info on the people that made the movie. Its just one guy and there is not much info about him or where he got the money to make this film. I cant seem to follow the money trail.
I also havent found anyone creditable to debunk the films claims. I did find one Religious web site that made a film trying to debunk the first part but in the end they basically supported him and blamed in on Catholics. They were supposed to be a non denominational church but I think they were just a bunch of anti Catholic nuts.

The part that facinates me most was when they stated that 7 of the 9/11 highjackers were still alive. I did find where the director of the F.B.I. acknowledged that 4 were known to him to still be alive after CNN and BBC broke the story. Its seems to me that info like that ought to be on every new station in the world.