Obama's Pastor: God **** America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

[maysvillebulldog]

This is one of the reasons I find Barack Obama candidacy so disturbing. This article appeared on March 13th, ABC news online.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God **** America."

Is Obama's Pastor a Liability?The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God **** America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God **** America for treating our citizens as less than human. God **** America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to ****ing America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.


Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.

Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."

Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.

In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

[kcredden]

I only wish a lot of this negative press about Obama before his near shoe in for the democratic party. This is going to prove to be an interesting race still.

This is one of the few times I am against both major parties, and considering an independent.

- Kc

[ponto]

All the news that's fit to print.

[Bengals_Mama]

I believe everyone is entitled to express their opinions, but what Bible is this man reading from? Preachers are supposed to unite people, not stir up controversy. I'd really like to hear Bishop T.D. Jakes opinion of all of this. (he is a popular black preacher on tv also, and one of my faves) I just don't understand why Obama would want to be part of a church that preaches this type of thing. Sure America has been unfair & brutal at times to many people, but the foundation of this country is what we need to stay focused on.

Also, the black muslims are the same group that were linked to the late Malcolm X's assasination. They didn't like the fact that he had changed his tune about segregation, and was promoting unity at the time he was murdered. I highly reccommend for you all to read The Autobiography Of Malcolm X, or watch the movie. It's very good.

[Chuck]

if Obama said it I would care, but he didn't. That is like saying Mark or The Mn is responsible for what I say.

Call me when you get real news.

[SilverFox]

I do find it troubling that anyone would attend a church where the minister had such virulent hate speech. Most people attend church to find comfort and assurance, not radical propaganda. Couple this with his friendship with the home grown terrorist, Ayers, it could cause him problems. We are, in fact, judged by the company we keep.

[Brian K Beckett]

All the E mails I get say he is Muslim! This thread says he is a Christian! LOL

[ionlyworkhere]

Don't believe all the emails you get. And alot of people (and organizations) claim to be Christian when they are not.

Obama did say, "we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” - Call to Renewal Keynote Address

As a Christian, I would never say that.

[tkcomer]

Obama did say, "we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” - Call to Renewal Keynote Address

As a Christian, I would never say that.

I don't have a problem with this. It's true. It's one of the reasons our founding fathers refused to recognize a religion. It's called freedom to choose.

[Brian K Beckett]

Don't believe all the emails you get. And alot of people (and organizations) claim to be Christian when they are not.

Obama did say, "we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” - Call to Renewal Keynote Address

As a Christian, I would never say that.



Dont worry I dont believe any of the e mails I get. And yes their are many people and orginizations that claim to be Christian that are not. Even a few in Maysville.


We have never been JUST a Christan nation. Even the founder of Lewisburg was believed to be an Athiest.

[kcredden]

I will agree with Ionlyworkhere

Don't believe all the emails you get. And a lot of people (and organizations) claim to be Christian when they are not.

I just watched the History Channel about the white-supremacy movement, and one scares me; They mix the Arien nation w/a christian church. That smacks very much of a christian extremist, like muslin extremist. You get religion behind (or as a shield to) nut cases and there's no telling what they'll do, because they feel they can do anything and God/Allah/Buddha/Lord & Lady, etc will forgive them (and give them 39 virgins or what ever.)

These people are not Christians.

- Kc

[Rebelyell]

if Obama said it I would care, but he didn't. That is like saying Mark or The Mn is responsible for what I say.

Call me when you get real news.

Chuck, If Obama did not resign his membership in this church the day after hearing of this sermon (or dozens and dozens of others like it), then it's a problem. By being a member of an organization that spouts racial hatred, Obama is just as guilty of racial hatred himself.

I'm sure there were "good" Nazis who really didn't have it in for the Jews. They just went along because that was the politically wise thing to do. I'm sure there were good Klansmen who really didn't hate blacks. They just joined up because that was trendy at the time.

But you can't have it both ways. If you are going to belong to one of these hate groups or one of these hate churches, then you can't claim that you really don't join in their beliefs.

Obama has known all along where his church stands. He's just never had the national spotlight on it. Now he can attempt to run with a lot of fancy footwork, but he can't hide from the ugly truth that when he goes to church on Sunday he might as well be attending the black version of a Klan rally.

[maysvillebulldog]

Chuck, If Obama did not resign his membership in this church the day after hearing of this sermon (or dozens and dozens of others like it), then it's a problem. By being a member of an organization that spouts racial hatred, Obama is just as guilty of racial hatred himself.

I'm sure there were "good" Nazis who really didn't have it in for the Jews. They just went along because that was the politically wise thing to do. I'm sure there were good Klansmen who really didn't hate blacks. They just joined up because that was trendy at the time.

But you can't have it both ways. If you are going to belong to one of these hate groups or one of these hate churches, then you can't claim that you really don't join in their beliefs.

Obama has known all along where his church stands. He's just never had the national spotlight on it. Now he can attempt to run with a lot of fancy footwork, but he can't hide from the ugly truth that when he goes to church on Sunday he might as well be attending the black version of a Klan rally.

Well said Rebelyell

[mark]

I only wish a lot of this negative press about Obama before his near shoe in for the democratic party. This is going to prove to be an interesting race still.

- Kc

I wish it would too, however, the dems will generally get a free ride till November............see ya mark

[wmjsmallwood]

this is very disturbing ,hope its brough to the nation before election ,i will not vote for this person ,,,,he scares me ,,,and my children

[maysvillebulldog]

this is very disturbing ,hope its brough to the nation before election ,i will not vote for this person ,,,,he scares me ,,,and my children

If you think the first article was disturbing, there's more. The following appeared in the Wall Street Journal and is posted on the Drudge Report today, March 14th. Since the article is too long to post here, I am attaching the link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

This is just one little part of the article:
In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president......................................

The title of Mr. Obama's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people Mr. Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Mr. Obama consulted Mr. Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense.

[Brian K Beckett]

This is just one little part of the article:
In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president......................................

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Dont take me the wrong way here. i am not justifying Oboma or his preacher.
But I remember seeing on the Discovery or History Channel some years back about how the CIA tested LSD and other mind altering drugs on hippies and homeless in the 60s. So I did a little search on the net to try and find declassified government documents. What I found was kind of shocking. I typed in declassified documents drugs and declassified documents killers and learned somr things that I new in the back of my mind existed but was more shocked at how common the knowledge is out there. These documents that I found were not from left or right they were from actual declassified USA documents from the CIA FBI NSA DEA etc etc etc.

[Bengals_Mama]

I am more concerned with who he will pick as his VP... because a lot of people think he will be assasinated. I hope he chooses wisely.

[Brian K Beckett]

This whole election remindes me of the Richard Pryor movie Brewsters Millions.
Who ya gonna vote for???
None of the above!!!

[dawg]

I, personally, am not wild about ANY candidate. But, voters, think long and hard! You know Hillary and somewhat know John McCain. Do you think it is safe, especially in these times, to elect such an unknown quantity as Obama?

[drago]

The bad thing is I agree with alot of what his minister is saying...you go around messing around in everyone else's backyard dont be shocked when someone starts shooting.

[SilverFox]

Obama's minister is just a member of the radical hard left in this Country and their numbers are huge. They hate America, have contempt for the military, never met a dictator they didn't support, want God removed from every aspect of our daily life. To think a minister, supposed to be a man of God, would be so full of hate and rage is very scary. More troubling is the number of people who attend this church. We are in very troubling and scary times.

[tkcomer]

The radical right wing churches are just as bad and more numerous. Most would exterminate all Muslims and if you're not a member of their "version" of Christianity, off to **** you go. They preach as much hatred for others as do the left wing bunch. Didn't Bush say something about God telling him to invade Iraq? Jeeze, what a hateful God he must have. I can't envision any God telling anyone to go out and kill thousands just because you want oil for the security of your friends.

[Jeremy]

There was less controversy when Jerry Falwell said 9/11 was caused by abortionists, gays, and the ACLU.

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" - Falwell

Hate and rage, it seems, is universal and 9/11 can appropriated for any political point.

[Brian K Beckett]

Dont take me the wrong way here. i am not justifying Oboma or his preacher.
But I remember seeing on the Discovery or History Channel some years back about how the CIA tested LSD and other mind altering drugs on hippies and homeless in the 60s. So I did a little search on the net to try and find declassified government documents. What I found was kind of shocking. I typed in declassified documents drugs and declassified documents killers and learned somr things that I new in the back of my mind existed but was more shocked at how common the knowledge is out there. These documents that I found were not from left or right they were from actual declassified USA documents from the CIA FBI NSA DEA etc etc etc.



For some interesting reading try a web search with this


Project MK-ULTRA
Operation Midnight Climax

[KyYodler]

For those that believe what the Bible tells us....I believe that things are happening just as the Bible predicts...how terrible things will get before the end...I for one think this is happening..I will soon be 68 years old and never in my lifetime have I seen our country in such a sad state...Nothing is wrong anymore, no one is responsible for their actions..(must be something someone else has done to us that has caused us to act this way)...no shame about what we do....everything must be accepted, or we are not being tolerant of others...
We were blessed as a Nation for many years, but now if some had their way God would be taken out of everything...
Does anyone feel as I do, that maybe God will withhold his blessings and just let us destroy ourselves? We seem to be doing a pretty good job of it....

[maysvillebulldog]

For those that believe what the Bible tells us....I believe that things are happening just as the Bible predicts...how terrible things will get before the end...I for one think this is happening..I will soon be 68 years old and never in my lifetime have I seen our country in such a sad state...Nothing is wrong anymore, no one is responsible for their actions..(must be something someone else has done to us that has caused us to act this way)...no shame about what we do....everything must be accepted, or we are not being tolerant of others...
We were blessed as a Nation for many years, but now if some had their way God would be taken out of everything...
Does anyone feel as I do, that maybe God will withhold his blessings and just let us destroy ourselves? We seem to be doing a pretty good job of it....

I agree wholeheartedly KyYodler!

[ionlyworkhere]

I agree too. If you read the Romans 1:18 to the end. It tells what happens to a nation that has been abandoned by God. Pretty scary when you realize thtat is the path our nation has taken. Makes you wonder if God has already abandoned us.

[kdown]

I don't have a problem with the previous posts. I just wonder what the mood of the country was on December 7, 1941 and the next fours years, or when the stock market crashed in 1929, or the nightly news out of Viet Nam for 12 long years, or those awful Korean Police Action years. Did we think it was the beginning of the end for this country ? Fightling wars in places that we had no business being there in the first place. Race riots in the streets, etc.

[KyYodler]

I don't have a problem with the previous posts. I just wonder what the mood of the country was on December 7, 1941 and the next fours years, or when the stock market crashed in 1929, or the nightly news out of Viet Nam for 12 long years, or those awful Korean Police Action years. Did we think it was the beginning of the end for this country ? Fightling wars in places that we had no business being there in the first place. Race riots in the streets, etc.

I'm sure the mood of the country was pretty bleak, but I don't believe at that time there was as ongoing campaign to turn away from God...if there was I didn't know about it...

[Jeremy]

I just wonder what the mood of the country was on December 7, 1941 and the next fours years, or when the stock market crashed in 1929, or the nightly news out of Viet Nam for 12 long years, or those awful Korean Police Action years. Did we think it was the beginning of the end for this country ? Fightling wars in places that we had no business being there in the first place. Race riots in the streets, etc.

Whenever I hear about how bad things have gotten and how society is going downhill, I think of these quotes about the immorality of teenagers:

What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?

and

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint.

It describes how people view the future of society today... youth run amok, absence of morals, the decline of civilization. The thing is, the first was written by Plato (400s BC) and the second was written by Hesiod (700s BC). There was a contemporary religious group who sold all of their possessions and awaited the rapture on their rooftops, at the turn of the century... turn of the century from 1899 to 1900.

I'm not saying we'll be fine, just that it's always been this way. Personally, I think there were a -lot- of people who were disappointed that Y2K came and went uneventful.

[kdown]

Nice post Jeremy. That was what I was trying to say........LOL

[kybikertrash]

I do find it troubling that anyone would attend a church where the minister had such virulent hate speech. Most people attend church to find comfort and assurance, not radical propaganda.

I have to agree with this. Since when did church become a place for politics.
It really is strange that he preaches so much hate for others in a church of all places.

[ponto]

What's the deal here. We haven't solved the teenager problem in all these years?

Maybe it's the adults that are the problem.

[Brian K Beckett]

What's the deal here. We haven't solved the teenager problem in all these years?

Maybe it's the adults that are the problem.


Remember Columbine? Do you remember some were blaming Marilin Manson the musician. I remember when he was asked if he could talk to the two that did it what would he say to them. His responce was "I wouldent say anything to them. I would just listen. Thats what no one else did."
In a odd way he is right.




I am not being rude when I ask this but where has this country turned its back on God? In what ways?

[Bengals_Mama]

We can't blame it on the youth, I mean go back to Adam & Eve.. they didn't listen & rebelled also. The problem with TODAY's young people is the PARENTS. It's very rare to see parents actually discipline their kids these days, they either ignore the problem, constantly yell at their kids, beat the crap out of them, or put the responsibility off an another person. I have noticed a HUGE difference between the kids in my community compared to other communities, and I have to admit they are more behaved. The people out here are doing something right, and it shows. I was a bit of a rebel myself, but my parents pretty much always gave me the freedom to express myself.. so really I wasn't rebelling at all. My parents were totally clueless when it came to discipline. I turned out ok, but my sisters are a mess.

Brian you are right about the Marilyn Manson comment, I heard him say it too. The problem was that the parents were so involved in their own lives that they did not notice their kids were in desperate need of attention. How do you not know that your kids have a small arsenol in your garage, and also pipe bombs? I understand that people have to work, but sometimes it's probably best to go without & be home with your child, than to work & think you can buy your childrens love.

[Chuck]

The country was founded by many people that where none very religious. The Constitution was written by a man whom was agnostic and owned a personal copy of the Quran Bible. Their idea of Freedom of Religion included Freedom of no religion.

George Washington was considered a Deist and rarely if ever attended. It was Martha that was the religious one in the family. Gorge is listed as Episcopalian.

Benjamin Franklin. Listed as Episcopalian professed as Deist and paid tithes to the Presbyterians. Ben was known for saying that he had no use for modern day religion.

Thomas Jefferson. Agnostic yet many churches stake claim to his presence in their pews. He his best know for his stance for "A wall of separation between church and state".

While many might argue, these men are best known for the violent overthrow of what was considered a tyrant country. The overthrow of a Country that has not changed much in their Beliefs and their laws.

Now in modern times we embrace that same tyrant Country the fought and died to separate from.

Now days we fear a black men that wants to keep Church and State Separate. We blame violent acts of youths on the lack of God in their lives rather than deal with the problems of the youth.

If you think you're making a difference preaching God and Jesus on the BBS, you're not. You need to be talking and working with the children on the East End. Thats where you will do the most good.

I guess I must be part of the Wig party. I believe we should lead by example and not by preaching, lecturing or ignoring what you don't like to see or want to deal with.

Obama is less of a threat to your religious beliefs because he believes you should have a freedom of religion. He is not a threat to god because if he was god would destroy him.

[Brian K Beckett]

We can't blame it on the youth, I mean go back to Adam & Eve.. they didn't listen & rebelled also. The problem with TODAY's young people is the PARENTS. It's very rare to see parents actually discipline their kids these days, they either ignore the problem, constantly yell at their kids, beat the crap out of them, or put the responsibility off an another person. I have noticed a HUGE difference between the kids in my community compared to other communities, and I have to admit they are more behaved. The people out here are doing something right, and it shows. I was a bit of a rebel myself, but my parents pretty much always gave me the freedom to express myself.. so really I wasn't rebelling at all. My parents were totally clueless when it came to discipline. I turned out ok, but my sisters are a mess.

Brian you are right about the Marilyn Manson comment, I heard him say it too. The problem was that the parents were so involved in their own lives that they did not notice their kids were in desperate need of attention. How do you not know that your kids have a small arsenol in your garage, and also pipe bombs? I understand that people have to work, but sometimes it's probably best to go without & be home with your child, than to work & think you can buy your childrens love.


I actually agree with you!!!

Kids are like people. We all have our different ways of learning. Some can learn from a book some cant. Its the same with education. We should listen to what the kids tell us. In my oppinion when you listen to a kid or anyone for that matter listening means not just hearing what they say but also seeing the result of what you are teaching them. If a person/kid is not learning the way you are teaching it then maybe you need teach it a different way then you would someone else. People are not robots that you program the same way.

Now I am not listening and telling. I am being a hipocrit myself


I often wonder how that happend myself.



By the way awsome post Chuck.

But I still dont understand why people think this country is turning its back on God. In what ways do you mean?

[Chuck]

I don't either. More people today (By Percentage) are faithful to God then ever before in history. Christianity is on an all time high.

[Jeremy]

I see your "End Times" and raise you one "Clock of the Long Now", a proposed mechanical clock designed to keep time for 10,000 years to get people thinking about the future, the l-o-n-g future.

http://www.longnow.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

It's a "counterpoint to today's 'faster/cheaper' mind set and [serves to] promote 'slower/better' thinking." From one of the founders of the project:

"When I was a child, people used to talk about what would happen by the year 2000. For the next thirty years they kept talking about what would happen by the year 2000, and now no one mentions a future date at all. The future has been shrinking by one year per year for my entire life. I think it is time for us to start a long-term project that gets people thinking past the mental barrier of an ever-shortening future. I would like to propose a large (think Stonehenge) mechanical clock, powered by seasonal temperature changes. It ticks once a year, bongs once a century, and the cuckoo comes out every millennium."

- Computer scientist Daniel Hillis

[Chuck]

I see your "End Times" and raise you one "Clock of the Long Now", a proposed mechanical clock designed to keep time for 10,000 years to get people thinking about the future, the l-o-n-g future.


They're gonna be upset to find out it only works to Dec, 2012.