Parents WARNING on upcoming childrens movie!

[Bengals_Mama]

There is an anti-Christian movie (written by an atheist, Philip Pullman of England ) called The Golden Compass coming out on December 7 (just in time for Christmas). It stars Nicole Kidman, so it will be getting a lot of publicity. Philip despises C.S Lewis and Narnia, and his goal is to “kill GOD in the minds of children”. An article written about him labels him “the most dangerous author in Britain !” He has written 3 books that all promote atheism, and the movie depicts his first book (which is the more watered-down of the 3). His goal is that you see the movie and then that your kids want his trilogy for Christmas…and then it REALLY gets offensive in the second 2 books!! But just to give you a tid-bit of what’s in Philip’s books…a ex-nun calling Christianity a convincing mistake, 2 characters representing Adam & Eve KILL God (called YAHWEH) in the end, and there’s a story about castration & female circumcision! I am blown away by this! It will be targeted toward children and advertised as a fun-holiday flick. Don’t fall for it! Here is the snopes article about it to back up what I’ve been saying… http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp


PLEASE, PLEASE tell everyone you know and love NOT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!! Imagine how our children’s little minds would absorb these awful lies! Let’s get the word out and fight back!!! Boycott The Golden Compass!!

Keep in mine this is directed towards Christian parents only. I'm sure it will be a very entertaining film, but the devil himself is very entertaining. Just so you know, I am not one of those crazy people who is against even Harry Potter. I loved Harry Potter, and it is good for the kids as long as they know it's all imagination. This movie is completely different. There's nothing against Christianity in the Harry Potter movies, and it just comes down to one's own convictions. I believe this movie is a direct attack on Christianity, but you can make up your own minds.

[TheMan]

"PLEASE, PLEASE tell everyone you know and love NOT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!! Imagine how our children’s little minds would absorb these awful lies! Let’s get the word out and fight back!!! Boycott The Golden Compass!!"

IF your children are that susceptible to brain washing.. And can not distinguish the difference between a story and the truth, then they probably don't even need to watch T.V.

Besides.. Pullman isn't anti-Christian.. He's anti-Religion..

From Pullman:

His Dark Materials seems to be against organised religion. Do you believe in God?

"I don't know whether there's a God or not. Nobody does, no matter what they say. I think it's perfectly possible to explain how the universe came about without bringing God into it, but I don't know everything, and there may well be a God somewhere, hiding away.

Actually, if he is keeping out of sight, it's because he's ashamed of his followers and all the cruelty and ignorance they're responsible for promoting in his name. If I were him, I'd want nothing to do with them."

[mark]

............there's NO danger of my kids seeing this one.........and.....they do understand religious brainwashing.

I routinely use "teachable" moments whenever I can to dubunk such nonsense! ...........see ya mark

[drago]

I myself can't wait to see this movie...and its just that...a movie. yeah it may have anti-christian themes but it's still a work of fiction no worse than many of the other movies out there. the aurthor is not anti-christian he is anti-religion period and I kinda agree with that point. if you dont want to see the movie or are against it then the best thing you could do is keep quiet about it. the more people make a big deal about it the more it's going to get in the news and the more people are going to go see it to see what it's all about.

[Jeremy]

I'm sure all the kids out there are already numb after the recent announcement by Rowling that Dumbledore is an old gay man who has a habit of befriending bespeckled adolescent boys :fear:

Come to think of it, they aren't. It's an adult conversation that kids aren't the least bit interested in. Narnia got a stamp of approval from Christian parents for it's religious themes, but all of that was lost on the kids themselves. They just wanted to get a sword and talk to animals. The biggest questions on their minds weren't "what is the religious symbology behind Aslan's death and rebirth, and why did the author choose a lion for the character", it was "what the heck is a wardrobe and how is it different than a closet". Call me cynical, but I just don't think the kids care about the same things adults do.

[Chuck]

If a child is raised properly and has good communications with their parents the movie is harmless.

[Foxy]

So are we to get rid of The Wizard of Oz, Macbeth, and countless other "classics" because of the witch craft they talk about? I remember reading the Chronicles of Narnia about a hundred years ago in elementary school, back then they did not want kids reading them because of the witch craft. Sheeesh.. and by the way, Transformers has these cars that morph... morphing is magic too.

[Rebelyell]

My understanding is that this film is made by someone whose stated goal is to "debunk" Christianity. Personally I think it's a children's movie worth avoiding if possible, although I've found my children can usually find a way to do what they really want to do. But I can at least steer and push.

[TheMan]

No the book was authored by a known atheist.. Not the movie.. No one is saying the filmmakers were anti-anything.. Especially money..


Even if his goal is "debunk" Christianity what's it hurt? I mean really, he isn't going to change your mind, and neither will you change his.. Speech is supposed to be free, but rarely is...

[Bengals_Mama]

The third book has a child KILL GOD.... does that not mean anything to you? I don't remember seeing any references to killing God in any of the Harry Potter books...

Keep in mind that the first part of my post was not written by me, it was something forwarded on. I think everyone should educate themselves on it BEFORE they let their children watch it, and keep in mind that even if the movie is sugar coated with no links to Christianity, the children may want to read the books... which is a direct attack on MY beliefs. I can deal with witchcraft in a movie, but when an Atheist writes a book that has a direct attack on MY GOD, then I will do what I think is best, and not take my children to see the movie.

[TheMan]

Exactly.. And it is other's options to not pay attention to the hype and take the books for what they are.. Books, well written and attention keeping books. Apparently many others agree. He has won numerous children's literature awards.. IF one can not distinguish the difference between fiction and non-fiction they probably don't need to read it or watch the movie anyway.

The books are about an evil god.. not your god or my god.. a fantasy god.. While I agree that those based solely on their faith would find it offensive, simply by saying he's talking about my religion.. We must remember.. It is a fictional work.

The imagination lets us go places our faith would never consider..

[Bengals_Mama]

Isn't it true that the God that's "killed" in the book was named Yahweh?
Yahweh is certainly the name of the Christian God.
It is based on Exodus 3:14-15, where God reveals his name to Moses.
The fact that later Jewish and Christian tradition substitutes "Lord" or "Jehovah" for this out of respect for the divine name does not change this.
Just take a look a the Jerusalem Bible (English and French) and see for yourself how the Old Testament reads when "Yahweh" is restored.

I also found this, and it was good...

Killing God
In the novels the characters finally find God and then they kill him.
The problem is they were just a bit late with this one.
Others have already killed God.
BUT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!

[TheMan]

Ah.. Who knows.. if you went and watched it you may be more tolerant of views differing from yours..

I never claim to be a scholar of the bible.. new or old.. I have read it.. and enjoyed it, but never rely on it to make my points for me..

[Unregistered]

I am NOT a Christian.
Jesus is a self proclaimed messiah of God. The old testament warned of false idols. Christianity was founded from a religion of paganism. Enough on this topic.
The movie is an attack on religion in general. But since my faith in my God is strong I have no evil to fear from watching it or allowing my children too watch it if I had any.
Thanks for the warning but I feel my God protects me from this type corruption. It is a test of my faith. I will not go see this movie only because it does not interest me.

I live in Maysville and hope this post makes it to the site. This is only my opinion. I think many of my post have been deleted before anyone gets a chance to read them.

[Jeremy]

If you think this movie is bad because it might encourage children to read books written by atheists, wait until they reach the 7th grade and the school system forces them to read Huckleberry Finn, written by atheist Mark Twain.

Huck Finn: "Alright then, I'll go to H e l l !"

[Bengals_Mama]

Jeremy I am more open minded than you think, but I'm sure some of my posts make me out to be a radical Christian. I go to a Holiness type of church, so I do my best with what I have. I actually have nothing against Atheists, I was one not long ago! I would let my children read books written by Atheists IF they did not directly attack my religion. I also won't let my children read books that directly attack anyone elses religion, or beliefs. It's just not right. It's very important to me, as your beliefs are to you. The point of the post was to inform people about the movie, because many Christians knew nothing about the books. One good thing the movie has done is stir up conversation between different believers, and that is a positive thing!

[Antonio'sgirl]

Jeremy, it is not that the film is based upon a book written by an atheist which is the problem. It is the content of the book which is the problem. The book is full of anti-Christian themes: one of the main characters is an openly homosexual angel, and all of the villains in the book are priests, the chief villain in the book is God himself. People have the right to make whatever movie, read whatever book they want. But parents should be informed so that they know what they are taking their children to see before they go. Bengals Mama is just trying to make sure parents in the area are warned.

However, Bengals Mama, I heard that a lot of the anti-Christian content has been removed from the film version. If your kids really want to go see it, may be a good idea would be to see it first yourself before you take your kids. And if you are raising your children Christian, definitely do not let them read the book! You will just have to explain it to your kids!

[Foxy]

My problem with this is the same that it was with harry potter. Opinions based on other's opinions, not fact. I started reading Harry Potter because people were always saying things like "my child won't read that book...its evil" I read it to form my own opinion. And I found nothing evil in it. I just wish that people would watch it before saying it is evil. If you don't want to watch it that is fine too, but don't say it is evil or bad of you haven't seen it.
I learned in English 102 in college that it is important to have facts to base an opinion on something... other wise you are just wasting time...
I do have a say in what my children watch, having said that, they have seen some movies I wish they wouldn't, but they understand that it is a movie. IF I was an atheists, I think I would still let my children see Narnia, it was a good movie... My kids are older and don't believe in Santa, but my kids love watching The Santa Clause, I am not worried that they are going to expect to see Santa on the 25th with more presents.... they know this is fantasy... so is Narnia, The Wizard of Oz, and this movie as well.

[Jeremy]

Jeremy I am more open minded than you think, but I'm sure some of my posts make me out to be a radical Christian.

Jeremy, it is not that the film is based upon a book written by an atheist which is the problem. It is the content of the book which is the problem.

I know guys. Really I totally support content warnings. I mean, if you did feel it is an attack on people's beliefs and someone who felt strongly about that got duped into thinking it was something it's not, it completely makes sense to let people know about it. I'm right there with you on that. I don't feel strongly about it, but would be irritated if I did and got duped into watching something I wouldn't ordinarily support.

I was just commenting because of the call by Christians to boycott the movie. It's one thing when people choose not to watch the movie because of personal beliefs, and it's one thing to warn others that they may not want to either.

Boycotts are a little different. Boycotts are a form of protest meant to hurt the movie producers financially. They're always a call to action. For example, when Christians boycott Walmart because they say 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas', it's to demand that Walmart change their policy and say what they want them to say, for fear of financial punishment. Boycotting a film is the call to action for Hollywood to not make these types of films. I don't agree with that at all. I think the producers have every right to make the movie and make it successful. I think people should make controversial films that make people think about their choices, and if there's no financial incentive they won't. It's a form of financial censorship.

Calls for boycott implies that producers shouldn't have made the movie, and that's a whole lot different than I don't care to see it personally.

[kybikertrash]

I don't even see God as a human , I see God as a Spirit. In my opion God is not a mortal being that can be killed. I feel he is invincible, and if he were in human form....and residing in Heaven, I would assume that he is already is "dead". So even if a child kills God in a book, I wouldn't see it as being real or even possible. Literature is a form of art and peoples perceptions of art are different and if that is that artists perception then so be it. I don't expect to go to Heaven to see God and think he is going to look like George Burns because he played him in a movie. Movies don't make me believe in anything, I don't believe in witchcraft because I have seen the Harry Potter movies or Bewithced. It is just fantasy and my kids are smart enough to know that, so I don't worry about them seeing it. But honestly, they may not even be interested, I hadn't heard anything about it until this thread.

[Maxwells]

This is the first I have heard of this..I have no small children at home...My son is older he may watch it..don't know...but if he does he was raised with a good heart and an opened mind...

[Chuck]

According to Christianity, God needs an army to fight Satan so I would conclude he could be killed by Christian religion. Why else have an Army.

Other religions say God will deal with Satan himself. They then divide up with "what the purpose of human life is".

[TheMan]

My purpose yesterday was to be glutonous...

[Bengals_Mama]

I will second that one TheMan..lol

[bubbysgarage]

My problem with this is the same that it was with harry potter. Opinions based on other's opinions, not fact. I started reading Harry Potter because people were always saying things like "my child won't read that book...its evil" I read it to form my own opinion. And I found nothing evil in it. I just wish that people would watch it before saying it is evil. If you don't want to watch it that is fine too, but don't say it is evil or bad of you haven't seen it.
I learned in English 102 in college that it is important to have facts to base an opinion on something... other wise you are just wasting time...
I do have a say in what my children watch, having said that, they have seen some movies I wish they wouldn't, but they understand that it is a movie. IF I was an atheists, I think I would still let my children see Narnia, it was a good movie... My kids are older and don't believe in Santa, but my kids love watching The Santa Clause, I am not worried that they are going to expect to see Santa on the 25th with more presents.... they know this is fantasy... so is Narnia, The Wizard of Oz, and this movie as well.


Couldn't have said it better. Very well put and I agree 200%.

[Saphrym]

Read the Snopes post again. It mentions this link:

http://catholicleague.org/catalyst.php?year=2007&month=October&read=2322

Now, I can understand having a problem with a movie. I can even understand that paper and printing costs money. But here is a league so inflamed by this movie that they just have to let everyone know the evils of the movie... for the low, low price of $5.00.

[LIZ44]

Oh, please. Don't presume to tell anyone else what to see or not see.

[Saphrym]

Oh, please. Don't presume to tell anyone else what to see or not see.

That wasn't the purpose of her post. As she said, it was information forwarded to her and she just wanted parents to know about it.

It's always good to have that information. And as others have said, watching the movie yourself would be good to find out if it really is a problem.

"Knowing is half the battle!" - G.I. Joe

However, I also do not condone boycotting something like this. It might as well be book burning which means we might as well have never experienced 1776 because to allow someone to take away our freedom like that is to send us back into the kind of situation our forefathers fought to get us out of in the first place.

[Maxwells]

Amen.........

[Chuck]

Wish someone would have warned me about playing my Led Zeppelin and Beetles records backward in the 70's. Now that was freaky.

I would have did it anyway and hearing what I heard did not corrupt my soul,,, I think...

[Saphrym]

Wish someone would have warned me about playing my Led Zeppelin and Beetles records backward in the 70's. Now that was freaky.

I would have did it anyway and hearing what I heard did not corrupt my soul,,, I think...

There actually is a part in "Another One Bites the Dust" that says, well, something different when played backwards. But I think it was found by someone with too much time on their hands.

[TheMan]

I remember that Senator saying Ozzie's song saying.. Get the gun.. shoot shoot shoot.. That had to be the stupidest thing I ever heard.. Ozzie said that too.. Only with more colorful words.

[Jeremy]

Some of that stuff was real though. It's called "back masking" and the Beatles used it on Revolver (1966).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Masking

[acoolmom777]

I feel that we are Spiritual beings having a human experience…. therefore everything is a test of faith….

Thank you for the warning on a subject that I see lays heavy on your heart….and I respect that…..

But God gave us free will…. so to each is own….but you might want use this type of thing as a teaching tool for your religion….there is a lot of scary and strange things that will come up through your child’s life, all we can do as parents and keep an open communication with ours kids and pray that the values we have instilled in them will head them now the right path.




Ok that is way to deep for a Monday morning :eek:, I need more java....lol

[Brian K Beckett]

I guess its time for the town athiest to make a post about this movie. I probably wont go see it my self its not my kind of movie to see. As for the killing of God thing, coming from an athiest stand point it is hard to kill what you do not believe exist in the first place.
Also the movie really is not a childrens movie it has a rating of PG13 not a G rating. As for someone boycotting a movie because they think it is against their beliefs wel ok go a head. But you need to realize when you start this contraversy you are in fact advertising and promoting this movie.
As far as the castration and female circimcission thing I dont know what the movie or the book is saying about it. I personally am against castration(except on child rapist). I am against male and female circumcision. Both male and female circumcision are sick religious ways of trying to curb promiscuity. If God wanted you to be born that way then you would have been born that way.

A person that wants to kill God is not an Athiest they are a Satanist, and yes their is a big difference between the two.

[Unregistered]

You claim to be an athiest, but then proclaim being against circumcision cause "if God wanted you to be born that way.." Just weird.

[acoolmom777]

You claim to be an athiest, but then proclaim being against circumcision cause "if God wanted you to be born that way.." Just weird.


I am sure Brian...was posting that to the effect of the other person being a Christian.....

[Brian K Beckett]

Cool mom and unregistered you are both right. I was being sarcastic but I am weird also. But I am right also.

[TheMan]

I'm left...

[Bengals_Mama]

I get what you're saying. I would like to hear some feedback on the movie though for any of you who go. So far my son isn't interested in seeing it, which is kind of odd because he loves those types of movies. He is more interested in seeing Alvin & The Chipmunks, now THAT's a movie I would like to go see...lol

[Saphrym]

I'm upside down.

[Brian K Beckett]

You claim to be an athiest, but then proclaim being against circumcision cause "if God wanted you to be born that way.." Just weird.

If you think Im weird because of that comment then listen to this one.
I am not opposed to the ten commandments being posted in schools, accutally I am some what supportive of it.
And now for a big shocker. I am a huge fan of the teachings of Jesus Christ, in the philosophical sence anyway. Even though I am an athiest I follow Jesus's teachings and the ten commandments more so then some that claim to be Christian.

Now I bet you really think I am weird

[Unregistered]

I am a relegious person. I try to do what is right. I am no Saint but I do believe in God and Jesus and even though I can't see them I feel their presence and see what good work they do.

WITHOUT GOD NOTHING IS POSSIBLE. WITH GOD EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

God Bless all people and living creatures on earth. Amen.

[mark]

I am not opposed to the ten commandments being posted in schools, accutally I am some what supportive of it.
And now for a big shocker. I am a huge fan of the teachings of Jesus Christ, in the philosophical sence anyway. Even though I am an athiest I follow Jesus's teachings and the ten commandments more so then some that claim to be Christian.


You do surprise me. I figured most athiest want nothing to do with the 10 Commandments.

Regardless.....if I may ask,
If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, why don't you believe in him too??

Just curious..........see ya mark

[TheMan]

The Ten Commandments are good rules to live by whether you believe in God or not.. I don't find it weird that he believes in them...

[Saphrym]

Agreed TheMan. And another thing to consider, although I believe in Jesus as the son of God, just because a person is an atheist doesn't mean they can't believe that Jesus existed, just not as the Son of God.

[Jeremy]

The first four an atheist probably wouldn't have anything do with because they're concerned with the actual worship of God.

Of the remaining six, three of them are actual court system laws (6,8,9) that an atheist has to abide by.

The other three are probably good ideas for keeping peace with the family (5,7,10) and an atheist would be just as interested in that as anyone.

So an atheist would ignore four, have to abide by three, and choose the three others so his wife and mother aren't mad at him.

60% applicable.

[Saphrym]

Leave it to Jeremy to get technical. Sheesh. ;)

[Jeremy]

LOL. Well... technically speaking it depends on which 10 Commandments you're talking about. They're different for the different religions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Division_of_the_Commandments

There's a total of 14 or 15 different statements that get collapsed to 10 differently.

[Saphrym]

And he gets more technical. ;)

My turn: The 10 commandments are an Old Testament document. So, would it not be possible to modify them into what Jesus considered? I'll let someone else explain:

http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/09/09/the-seven-commandments-according-to-jesus-christ/

And hey, I thought you stopped editing Wikipedia posts anyway... ;)

[Brian K Beckett]

You do surprise me. I figured most athiest want nothing to do with the 10 Commandments.

Regardless.....if I may ask,
If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, why don't you believe in him too??

Just curious..........see ya mark


Mark, I would say you are correct to think that most athiest dont want anything to do with the ten commandments. But I am different.

As for why I dont believe in Jesus, God ,or Satan I have my reasons which could be debated till the cows come home.

I might consider myself an athiest but I would never be opposed to someone being religious. I think most all religion in general has a good effect on most people. The only religious things I have a problem with are extreemist and hippocrits.

The first four an atheist probably wouldn't have anything do with because they're concerned with the actual worship of God.

Of the remaining six, three of them are actual court system laws (6,8,9) that an atheist has to abide by.

The other three are probably good ideas for keeping peace with the family (5,7,10) and an atheist would be just as interested in that as anyone.

So an atheist would ignore four, have to abide by three, and choose the three others so his wife and mother aren't mad at him.

60% applicable.


The one about the neighbors wife depends on how hot she is... Just joking

[acoolmom777]

lol...The one about the neighbors wife depends on how hot she is... Just joking



Bad Brian..Bad Brian....:fear:....roflao

[Unregistered]

I Belive In A Higher Being That Created Us. If You Want To Call Him God Okay. I Dont Judge Other Religions And I Ask Not To Be Judged For My Beliefs. Its Just A Movie Full Of Fantasy For Everyone To Enjoy.to Bring Some Good Into The Light Of All The Evil That Is Going On Right Now. So Let Children Enjoy The Mythical Things That This Movie Does.rember We Were Young Once And Full Of Imagination.

[Saphrym]

We watch a show called "Saving Grace" with an angel named Earl played by Leon Rippy who does an amazing job.

The last episode had one of the people that Earl watches over wanting to switch from Christianity to Muslim. Most of the episode made it seem like Earl was going to leave him for switching faiths. When the man declared his new faith, Earl was still there. The man asked Earl, "I thought you'd be gone?"

Earl replied, "What is it with you humans? It doesn't matter what road you travel when they all lead to the same place."

That's an argument I've been making for years in a much less elegant way. When he said that, I almost cried tears of joy for such a good line.

[Maxwells]

Religion and Politics seems to me to be a touchy topic...I can say that my Grandfather was an athiest and his wife was a Christian..they were married 60 years with their differences and neither one questioned what they believed..I would love to think there is a higher being...I would love to see a sign..nothing drastic that would scare the you know what out of me..but some sort of sign..like Jesus did in his days of living of healing..you guys know what I mean...

Well, I had do do another post on this, because look at my post number..666..I had to get out of that one..to get a 667.....LOL

[Brian K Beckett]

I get what you're saying. I would like to hear some feedback on the movie though for any of you who go. So far my son isn't interested in seeing it, which is kind of odd because he loves those types of movies. He is more interested in seeing Alvin & The Chipmunks, now THAT's a movie I would like to go see...lol

I have posted a like from comments from people who have seen the movie Golden Compass. It seem like anyone who saw it liked it.

I cant wait to see Alvin and the Chipmunks myself it looks like its going to be funny.








http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808718640/user

[Unregistered]

Signs are everywhere- if you believe-you're very being is a sign- go to an ER & I'm sure you'd see signs everywhere- look in the OBGYN ward- signs everywhere- we can't ask God to keep shooting signs out to reassure our faith or to entertain - you have to believe, have faith & open ones eyes of the soul- SIGNS are everywhere that God is in control...GOD IS GOOD

[Bengals_Mama]

I know what you're saying Maxwells, I feel that way at times also. I have to agree with unregistered though, signs really are everywhere. As I sit here 3 months pregnant and think about the Miracle of a growing baby inside of me I can not help but to have Faith, and know that there's truly a wonderful God!

[Foxy]

OK. I just got through watching this movie.... I saw nothing that indicated any religious anything... except maybe that they call their "pets" demons.... I saw a more religious connotation to Narnia than in this film.
As a matter of fact, it seemed like nothing more than a little girl trying to save her friends.....
Did I miss something? Is there an unedited version where these accusations of being anti-Christian?