What will November 13th Unveiling at French Quarter unveil?

[phyllis1]

What do you think the November 13th Unveiling at French Quarter will include? It is after the election, so gambling boat or boats with other things for visitors and locals? Will the Unveiling be for invited guests only? Buying lots of land so should help local economy?

[Scooter16]

Hadn't seen anything about an unveiling. Where did you see this?

[Maxwells]

First I have heard anything about this...would love to know what is going on though...hmmm

[Chuck]

I was there yesterday and nothing was vieled.

[Scooter16]

Little birdie told me that there may be something to this but wouldn't tell me the subject.

[Brian K Beckett]

Are we voting on Gambling in November??? or Just govenor

[Chuck]

Gambling could not be enacted that fast unless Ernie did it. Then he would have to bypass a public vote.

[Brian K Beckett]

Thats what I thought. Thanks!

[Scooter16]

I'm hearing that this will be to discuss the large land purchases in the county. The plans, timeline and economic impact...

[ruby1968]

I work at the French Quarter and do all banquets and meetings , to my knowledge there is nothing planned for that day. I will find out tho and post it here.

[ruby1968]

All I found out is that there will be a meeting the 12. 13,& 14 and it involves all the big wigs in Maysville and others who will be with the person buying all the land. Thats all I know other than it is in one of the bigger meeting rooms we have and the last time he was in he used the smaller one. Ok hope that helps some.

[kybikertrash]

I heard yesterday that Donald Trump was investing in this big land purchase. Wonder if there is any truth to that?

[Unregistered]

I Hope They Do Bring In A Gambling Boat, What Kind Of Jobs Would There Be Then?it Maybe A Clooney Backing All The Money Like He Is Suppossed To Be Doing On The Renovation To Big Rock Atv Park- He And Brad Pitt. What's I Heard Through The Grapevine.

[Scooter16]

I hear that the meeting is happening and that more details will be released today at the French Quarter... Anybody know details?

[kyred73]

I was down by the French Quarters today and there does seem to be a big crowd there. I did see 2 GA license plates. There were cars from several different counties, such as Carter, Fayette, Fleming, Jessamine, Bourbon, and several "farm tag" KY trucks. Don't know if it means anything.

[OldDog]

Information released today was for Wyldwood Resort Communities. Plans included for the 500 million dollar project are for: Golf course, equestrian center, tennis center, marina, an air park, hotel and conference centers, aquatic center, theater, houses and retail center.

The plans are very impressive. IF it all comes together the way the plans are laid out it will change Maysville as we know it.

Key word = IF

[TheMan]

Not only change Maysville my friend.. It will drastically alter the land scape.. For the better of course.. IF you could see the plans.. Wow.. Impressive ideas.. Hope it all comes together....

[acj]

Does anyone find it interesting that when you do an internet search for Prodenken Investments LLC, Wyldwood Development Group, etc.....they all come back to the Ledger Independent articles?

Just curious as to why there is no website directly connected to them. If anyone find it....please post the address.

Thanks

[nfd]

Does anyone find it interesting that when you do an internet search for Prodenken Investments LLC, Wyldwood Development Group, etc.....they all come back to the Ledger Independent articles?

Just curious as to why there is no website directly connected to them. If anyone find it....please post the address.

Thanks

Yep - I'm highly suspicious of a half billion dollar project being undertaken by people you can't find. There also are no contractors in the area large enough to handle a project like this - so they will all be coming from the outside (Cincy, Indy or Louisville) and my contacts in Cincy have heard nothing about this. Just my thoughts.

[kdown]

Should this project go forward it will have a hugh impact on Maysville and Mason County. Traffic, utilities, police protection, fire protection, school system, taxes, local business and the cost of living just to name a few. Aslo someone should tell the County Exec that Mason County ain't Florida

[acoolmom777]

We moved here to get away from that stuff and now our sweet little town will be nothing but a big mess of......

[littlehagg]

Big developers tend to form new LLC's for each new venture, so information can be difficult to find. As for contractors, new construction in Northern Kentucky is down nearly 50% over the last 3 years, so getting contractors on board may not be a problem. It will be like Hilton Head without the ocean.

[maysvillebulldog]

I agree with you kdown and acoolmom777. Big does not mean better!

[PoliticallyConfused]

Well I don't get it. I can see where some of the projects they intend to do might be a plus for the area, but do we really need all the projects proposed?

Do we really need another Convention & Conference Center, Golf Course, or an Airpark just to name a few?

Sounds like the project would be minimum waged jobs, same as what we already have in the area, that most of the things built most of us would not be able to enjoy as the prices would be through the roof.

If this project is a gated community, only members of the community would be able to attend or join these proposed projects and businesses.

Who is the intended clientel for these homes with maid service available?

If you think about it's not gonna benefit most people in this area with the exception that those of us who happen to get a minimum waged job from one of the businesses. I can think of a word that describes this, can you?

[kybikertrash]

There are people in our community that will benefit from this. First of all there are the people who sell their land, but most importantly the politicians will make money by selling out our community. They will take kickbacks and under the table bribes to get these weathy developers the zoning and codes changes they need. With big money comes corruption. Then they rest of the community can have the minimum wage jobs that come here due to all this growth. We will get more retail and restaurants that pay minimum wage with little or no benefits, maybe some will get lucky and get houskeeping or jobs at these resorts and not only get to make minimum wage but get to be treated like second class citizens by the rich and famous. Maybe some people can get two or three of these jobs, because at minimum wage you almost need two or three jobs to keep your head above water. How wonderful for the average folk of Maysville!

I wonder if anyone at this meeting mentioned anything about the jobs this will bring to OUR citizens and what kind of wages these jobs might pay? If this developement is supposed to be geared to the wealthy then let them pay good wages for the services they will receive while staying or living there.

[nfd]

There are people in our community that will benefit from this. First of all there are the people who sell their land, but most importantly the politicians will make money by selling out our community. They will take kickbacks and under the table bribes to get these weathy developers the zoning and codes changes they need. With big money comes corruption. Then they rest of the community can have the minimum wage jobs that come here due to all this growth. We will get more retail and restaurants that pay minimum wage with little or no benefits, maybe some will get lucky and get houskeeping or jobs at these resorts and not only get to make minimum wage but get to be treated like second class citizens by the rich and famous. Maybe some people can get two or three of these jobs, because at minimum wage you almost need two or three jobs to keep your head above water. How wonderful for the average folk of Maysville!

I wonder if anyone at this meeting mentioned anything about the jobs this will bring to OUR citizens and what kind of wages these jobs might pay? If this developement is supposed to be geared to the wealthy then let them pay good wages for the services they will receive while staying or living there.

How true! And I can bet you a dollar to a donut that all of the contractors will be from outside the area. The reason - none of the contractors in this area are big enough or have enough skilled labor to tackle a job like this. So the local guys will get the dregs of the work, which won't pay at all. And the local suppliers will only get bits of it too - again - none are set up for this scope of a project. Doesn't really matter as I don't see it happening anyway. My brother in laws father built a marina in Aurora Indiana (Lighthouse Point if your interested) about 15 years ago (only 120 slips so 1/3 the size of whats proposed) and it took them 3 years of fighting with the EPA and Corps of Engineers before they could break ground. And this proposed airport will take even more wrangling (environmental impact studies alone can take 2-3 years) not to mention dealing with the FAA on top of everything else. Besides - does anybody really think that the rich and famous want to spend their time here? Although wal-mart is kind of interesting on a Friday or Saturday night!

[kdown]

Here's a thought.
I doubt that these two guys have the 500 million this project will cost. Chances are it will fall through when they can't raise the money. For example - Has ANY money changed hands to date ?

[wideglide]

I remember a huge plan for an amusement park on the river in aberdeen that didnt make anything but a lot of angry investors--wait til they start asking for the OUR money to proceed with this

[dylan1]

The local Fraternal Order Of Police recently agreed to sell their property to these folks. It's my understanding they've already been paid and have until July to vacate. So......

[F_Farkell]

Should this project go forward it will have a hugh impact on Maysville and Mason County. Traffic, utilities, police protection, fire protection, school system, taxes, local business and the cost of living just to name a few. Aslo someone should tell the County Exec that Mason County ain't Florida

True, so true. This ain't Florida. But when global warming kicks in Maysville }on the river} will be an oasis in a tropical landscape. Makes sense to me.

This will make a resort home a "must have".

All the developers have to do is wait about....... oh I don't know. Maybe just a million years or so.:drum:

[Unregistered]

They paid me 2500.00 for signing the contact/option. Closing in Jan 08 at which time I will accept full payment. note;Its all just promises and dreams, its an option not a guarentee,the only thing is I cannot sell to anybody else until this is fullfilled or turned down, then since i did sign with a realtor it maynot be possible to sell for 6 months after the fact. really unsure about this you should contact real estate attorney i guess.

[Unregistered]

I have a question....is this the same Mr. Barry who was going to build agated community on Slack Pike and Clarkes run road and also I think maybe was going to redo the EATS building? If so he hasnot started the gated community and someone else redid the downtown building .....also I think the land was rezoned......am I wrong or does anyone else remember this....maybe five years ago.....

[ponto]

Does anyone remember the Disney story about the purchase of the land for Disney World in Orlando?

Now that was a top secret land grab.

This Maysville thing is nothing more than the rich playing with our county and making a ton of money, for themselves and the 3rd investors down the road.

The first and second set of people to invest in this project may well loose a ton of money.

When 2027 rolls around, you will be able to ride at a well established riding academy and gamble on the river front.

For this to succeed, people would have to sell their real estate at a profit and move here. With today's real estate market, that is not going to happen for a while.

Good luck to all involved. This is just an opinion and not based on something I could be sued for. lol

[TheMan]

The local Fraternal Order Of Police recently agreed to sell their property to these folks. It's my understanding they've already been paid and have until July to vacate. So......


Not true...

[Rebelyell]

There are people in our community that will benefit from this. First of all there are the people who sell their land, but most importantly the politicians will make money by selling out our community. They will take kickbacks and under the table bribes to get these weathy developers the zoning and codes changes they need. With big money comes corruption. Then they rest of the community can have the minimum wage jobs that come here due to all this growth. We will get more retail and restaurants that pay minimum wage with little or no benefits, maybe some will get lucky and get houskeeping or jobs at these resorts and not only get to make minimum wage but get to be treated like second class citizens by the rich and famous. Maybe some people can get two or three of these jobs, because at minimum wage you almost need two or three jobs to keep your head above water. How wonderful for the average folk of Maysville!

I wonder if anyone at this meeting mentioned anything about the jobs this will bring to OUR citizens and what kind of wages these jobs might pay? If this developement is supposed to be geared to the wealthy then let them pay good wages for the services they will receive while staying or living there.

For Pete's sake, a job is a job! I would hope these employers would pay as little as they can and the employees would demand as much as they can. It's called a free market. The notion that we should work to keep out restaurants and nice houses because they don't create high-wage jobs just doesn't make sense.

Why is anyone doing these people a "favor" to change zoning. Their requests seem quite reasonable. How is the community being "sold out"?

Personally I have my doubts about whether this is a legitimate deal, but if it is real it's a great thing that will add tremendously to the tax base and improve the community. No need for anyone to be bribed to do what's right.

That said, I don't think it's going to happen.

[TheMan]

Probably won't.. But if it does, and some thinking any of the jobs will pay minimum wage is sadly mistaken.. As with any employer, you get what you pay for.. And I'll venture to say that with all the money they will be spending and the clientèle they want to attract, minimum wage base will not be good enough..

[Daphne]

Kentucky law makers gather the week after Thanksgiving to discusss Gambling.


Presson, who spent Wednesday meeting with local government officials and members of the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, said there is always the possibility not all of the concepts will be implemented or they might be modified from their original plan, but that would be determined as the project progresses through the proper channels as his team learns what is a viable option and what is not.

"It will not succeed if I'm not able to convince local people to use our facilities," said Presson. "I hope they feel they're more than welcome."

All of the entertainment features of the resort community are open to the public and Presson said he hopes local residents will take advantage of the proposed three-lagoon pool, tennis and golf facilities, spa services and even consider the hotel for weddings and special occasions.

"The activity is the driver of the project ... not the million dollar homes," Presson said.


Source (http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2007/11/15/local_news/1881wyldwood.txt)

Definately out of my price range and I have no intent of using their pool, tennis and golf facilities, spa services and no weddings in my near future. So I guess I won't be visiting their project anytime in the next seven to nine years nor after it is completed.

[Maxwells]

Me either....I'm just an ole poor country girl...wouldn't have it any other way...I do have riches in my life and that is my family and that is all that matters...That is all that matters......If you do not have that you have nothing....of course alot of people don't feel as I do....

[acoolmom777]

wow...An airport to bring in famous people and there Drugs...Maysville needs that as much as we need the gambling boats....
I would rather live week to week or month to month and keep our community like it is...I lived in Florida, couldn't even feel safe going to the post office unless you were packing your gun....

[Jeremy]

This would be more like the nice areas of Florida. It's a resort community, how does that translate to increased crime? Generally an influx of money reduces crime and the most crime-ridden areas are those with depressed economies.

[mark]

..............if this happens.........there will be more than minimum wage jobs. Someone has to be a manager of the restaurants, golf courses, spas, & whatever else is built. Not everyone will be the indians, some has to be the chiefs.

I agree with another post, you get what you pay for. I don't think someone will spend lot's of money building greens for golf courses & hire minimum wage people to maintain them....at least I wouldn't.

I say let them build it.

At least there will be some jobs available.
That's more that has been available around here lately anyway..

Regarding crime......I'd say there will be very little crime on the site. Those "rich" folks won't put up with that at all.......see ya mark

[TheMan]

Jeremey hit the nail on the head. You will not see increased crime or drug traffic from theis proposed plan...

[Scooter16]

My Take is: This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for our community. We should feel proud that anybody would even consider investing over 500 millions dollars into our economy. The age of "big business" coming to small town Maysville has long passed. Our location from major airports and roadways is much further from other towns our size competing for good paying jobs. Yes, some people stand to make the majority of the money on this deal but the trickle down effect will be good for us in the long run. With good pre-planning, crime, infrasturcture, utilities etc. can all be handled by our city officials.

The argument that this development will only provide about minimum wage jobs may be correct but that is the only jobs that are really coming to our area. I feel that we as a community should embrace this project and ask how we can help to make it happen. If this doesn't come here then somebody else will get the opportunity. Why not Maysville?

[mark]

My Take is: Yes, some people stand to make the majority of the money on this deal but the trickle down effect will be good for us in the long run.

WOW, someone else that believes in the "trickle down" theory.
I love it!

This place is a prime example of what "trickle down economics" really means...............see ya mark

[TheMan]

Change is scary.. And some people live in fear....

[bubbysgarage]

Me either....I'm just an ole poor country girl...wouldn't have it any other way...I do have riches in my life and that is my family and that is all that matters...That is all that matters......If you do not have that you have nothing....of course alot of people don't feel as I do....


Maxwells I feel the same as you and I'll second what you said.

[Unregistered]

I've been looking at the map of this thing.Seems to me that Forest Ave is mislabled. What they are calling the Ave is actually the railroad track.

[acoolmom777]

This would be more like the nice areas of Florida. It's a resort community, how does that translate to increased crime? Generally an influx of money reduces crime and the most crime-ridden areas are those with depressed economies.

Jeremey hit the nail on the head. You will not see increased crime or drug traffic from theis proposed plan...


Where there is money there is drugs and crime...my hubby is from Jersey and lets just say from that part of the "family" they see things in a different view....when I talked to his uncle at Thanksgiving, he already knew more then me on this project.....and when I said crime, I was speaking more in the sense of "organized".

[Scooter16]

Anybody heard any news about this development? January is when the properties are suppose to be closing.. I hear that a big announcement is coming soon!

[Scooter16]

Finally, some news!
http://maysville-online.com/articles/2008/01/10/local_news/1715wyldwood.txt

[Unregistered]

We're doing the best we can. These people gotta talk in order for us to get a story. I finally told them I was gonna do a story with or without them and guess what...they showed up. Amazing...
OJM

[Rebelyell]

Well, today is Jan. 29. There was supposed to be a big batch of closings on the 28th. I understand a couple were put off a day or two just because of time constraints, but does anyone know whether ANY of them happened yesterday?

[Scooter16]

I know of 2 that were delayed.. Something about re-financing the money due to lower interest rates on the buyers end.

[ponto]

We're doing the best we can. These people gotta talk in order for us to get a story. I finally told them I was gonna do a story with or without them and guess what...they showed up. Amazing...
OJM


Way to go OWEN, get that story.............

[Scooter16]

I agree with Ponto. Thanks Owen for getting these stories.. Would be nice for the readers though to get some behind the scene information about this project such as: past projects and who who is funding this.

[F_Farkell]

We're doing the best we can. These people gotta talk in order for us to get a story. I finally told them I was gonna do a story with or without them and guess what...they showed up. Amazing...
OJM

When a ]business[/B] deal between two party's becomes public before it is finalized it could be deter mental to one or both party's.

Asking questions is fine. But saying you will print a story with or without conversation with the subject of the story. In my opinion is just speculation and running a rumor mill.

To quote a retired radio guy " your need to know supersedes your right to exist" .

If you want to purchase ,maybe a car, or house this year it should not made public until it is recorded at the court house.

And as to where you get your financing...none of my concern as long as it is legal.

Just MY opinion.

[Chuck]

Asking questions is fine. But saying you will print a story with or without conversation with the subject of the story. In my opinion is just speculation and running a rumor mill.

To quote a retired radio guy " your need to know supersedes your right to exist" .

If you want to purchase ,maybe a car, or house this year it should not made public until it is recorded at the court house.

And as to where you get your financing...none of my concern as long as it is legal.


I tend to agree with you on this for the private sector but on the public sector (large scale) this will impact the entire community.

Many large land deals have been made private to slow rumors or back door a community, Doesn't appear to be the case here. Many place have Landfills and Chemical Dump Site from these type back door private deals.

In these cases your right to information does supersede your right to exist because without the information you could fail to continue to exist.

Remember that once this group owns the land their is no guarantee that they will use the land as described.

[Scooter16]

I hear that the closings aren't happening. Also, I hear that the land contracts expire today as well.

[Unregistered]

Berry stated that closing probably postponed until next week but could be as long as 30 days. Said "Our underwriters are looking at enviromental concerns". So no closings today.
It's becoming more and more interesting, that's for sure. Innitially, Berry wanted all land owners to report to Courthouse today at 9a.m. This fact was double checked with others in project and they subsequently saw the idiocrysy of this plan. Thirty minutes later, new plan was called in stating someone with Kachler's Office would call. Honestly strikes me as if one hand doesn't know what the other's doing, but I think the important part of the equation is to ask whether this is on purpose and to what end???
Enjoy...

[F_Farkell]

I tend to agree with you on this for the private sector but on the public sector (large scale) this will impact the entire community.

Many large land deals have been made private to slow rumors or back door a community, Doesn't appear to be the case here. Many place have Landfills and Chemical Dump Site from these type back door private deals.

In these cases your right to information does supersede your right to exist because without the information you could fail to continue to exist.

Remember that once this group owns the land their is no guarantee that they will use the land as described.

Correct me if I'm wrong. With exception of the County barn property and the boat dock all the land deals are in the private sector. Weather it be 1/4 acre or 2000 acres.

And as for what the new owner does with the land would it not go before the zoning committe. Then the public would have some input as to it's propoused use.