Smoking Ban Poll

[TheMan]

From the Ledger Independent:

http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2007/08/04/local_news/2217smokingban.txt



I'll reserve my comments for a while on this issue, just want other's opinions.

[lol]

leave it up to the establishment in the food and bar industry.

and who exactly took the survey, i never saw it float around or even heard about it floating around.

yes im a smoker.

[mark]

..........the ban will eventually happen. It's just a matter of when.......see ya mark

[Chuck]

..........the ban will eventually happen. It's just a matter of when.......see ya mark

The Ban doesn't have to happen. I agree with Judy Pfeffer in that if you ban smoking you need to also ban my rights to buy certain foods.

Only 400 people of 20,000 where polled if that is all I seriously hope they did not spend a bunch of money cause it doesn't sound like anyone did any serous work for these numbers.

[straubmom]

leave it up to the establishment in the food and bar industry.

and who exactly took the survey, i never saw it float around or even heard about it floating around.

yes im a smoker.

I agree. It should be up to the individuals who own the businesses. If you don't want to be around the smoke, then don't go to those places that allow it. I was also wondering who they surveyed. I never heard about it either. And, no, I am not a smoker.

[Maxwells]

This is the first time I heard anything about it.....I am a smoker...what next...Well I be told when I may go to the bathroom...some people just need a life...let people live their lives they way they want...I know smoking is bad for your health....If a business doesn't want smokers..then bye bye....

[anb_swrk]

Leave it up to the local establishments. Just go across the river into Ohio and ask some of the smaller establishments how it has hurt them....

lol -- I never heard of it or saw it either. They must have surveyed those who they new wanted it banned.

[TheMan]

Look into the the company who done the survey.. Every one of their surveys are biased to the side that paid them to conduct the survey. Ask Ohio business owners who it's effected their business.. The will tell that it has strapped them, or you won't be able to find them because they've gone out of business.. NOHIO is a place where personal liberties are lost every day. I am thankful we have intelligent commissioners that use their heads before making decisions. I'd hate to live in a state known as Cantucky...

On that note, it saddens me to see the Ledger publish yet another biased story. How hard would it have been to conduct their own little survey? Becoming too typical..

[anb_swrk]

Strongly agree TheMan

[ponto]

Poll questions are for smokers and non-smokers. Voting in the last election doesn't matter, just that you can turn on a computer and click a mouse without reading the directions.

[bookworm]

I also believe it should be up to the business owner. It is their establishment and they should have the right to choose. The government should not have the right to make decisions for the people. The preamble of the constitution states We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, Not we the politicians, but WE THE PEOPLE. I am a smoker and if a business chooses to become non-smoking then that is their choice, just as it would be my choice if I wish to visit that establishment. I also did not know anything about a smoking survey.

[Chuck]

Ponto started the poll on this site and I merger the 2 threads together to keep conversation tracking down to a minimum.

[Jeremy]

I actually participated in that survey. It was a telesurvey. Some of the questions that were asked I thought were kind of funny. One of them was "Would you support a politician that supported a smoking ban?" I thought it was funny because what it really said was "Would you be [insert explicative] at a politician for supporting a smoking ban?" It was a pretty fair survey though and the way it works is that it's taken from a cross section of the population. They don't have to survey every person to get a consensus of the general population.

[scjackson]

I used to smoke, but I don't now because of medical reasons. I quit because I had too, but don't take the right of choice away from the people and the business. The individual has the right to choose. How many times me and my late husband stood in line in a restaurant and non-smokers would take smoking section to get a seat earlier. I grant you tobacco is leaving the area, but the smokers are still here. Its not easy to quit and there are times I would love to have a cigarette, but it will be three years Nov. and I don't want to blow it with one cigarette.

[kpc]

Are you people crazy? Smoking is killing people!! Second hand smoke is killing people!!!Maysville will have to go non-smoking if it wants to move into the 21st century instead of being a 1940's pro tobacco backwater. Do you want the economy here to grow? Nobody will move into this place if it is a redneck town that supports smoking. Have any of you left here in the last 10 years? Maysville is way behind the times on this issue. Lexington, Louisville have all moved into the 21st century by banning smoking. IT IS NOT LIKE EATING BAD FOOD!!! If you eat bad food I don't get sick, you do..if you smoke around ME I GET SICK..I have to breathe your polluting air. DO IT IN YOUR OWN HOME OR IN YOUR OWN CAR but NOT AROUND A PUBLIC AREA WHERE I HAVE TO BREATHE IT!! Maysville is a beautiful city and my family loves it but we have thought about moving because of the irresponsible city government that allows smoking to continue, I know of others who won't move to unhealthy Kentucky because of all the smoking allowed here. Tobacco money made this town but that was in the past, move into the future Maysville!! I know it is scary to change for some of you who have lived here forever but there is a world out there free of gravy, booze and cigerettes that is living alot longer then the average Kentuckian. You don't have to quit smoking just DON"T DO IT around my family!!!

[lol]

i got a bumper sticker about 10 years ago at a nascar race that read: "At Least I Can Smoke In My Car" i chuckled back then , but now kinda puts things in perspective.


what about the smoke that comes off the grills on some of these little restaurants? surely that has to be bad, what about the power plants, what about crossing the streets?

geez

whats wrong with gravy, booze, and cigs?

[mark]

The Ban doesn't have to happen. I agree with Judy Pfeffer in that if you ban smoking you need to also ban my rights to buy certain foods.
.

This is true. If you ban smoking, what's next??


I guess the "fat" police will be next...I can actually see them trying to get McDonalds to ban selling Bic Macs.

Then it's on to Wal Mart for staying open 24 hours a day.
That potentially cuts into my rest time.

What's after that??

Believe me......This stuff will never end..........see ya mark

[Brian K Beckett]

I will support a smoking ban as soon as we out law aerosol cans, hair spray, paint, tires, gasoline, electricity, metal, plastic, glass, guns, big macks, whoppers, cotton, and everything else that we all use in life. This is America and I dont think a business owner should have to be forced into this. Trust me if a business was loosing money because of smoking then the business would impliment a ban on smoking itself. The government does not need to tell the people how and when and where to do things.
Its a sad day in America when Russia has more freedom then we do.

[maysvillebulldog]

Amen!

[Just my thoughts]

This is a very sensitive issue that I feel will be very interesting to see how it plays out. Here are my views....

1. Look at what it has done to Ohio small business people. I can think of a couple of bars, restaurants and people who are very upset with what this has done to the place of business that they have worked so hard to build. I was talking to a lady who works at a rest. in Aberdeen who said. "business has really slowed down since the non smoking law went into place. I have worked for (name of business) for 41 years and now they have to shut the place down because of business being so slow......I blame it on the smoking ban." This is a sad issue and to each their own opinion....but look what is is doing to Ohio.....NOW they want to tell "US" what we can and can't do in KY.

2. I remember hearing them refer to "illegal drugs" as what they call "left handed cigarettes" ILLEGAL so why not try to do more with that issue instead of trying to take the rights of the working people who can BUY the cigarettes that we smoke from any super market, gas station, bar or even isle 15 at Wal-Mart??

3. This county was made from tobacco companies, and all the farmers who raised it. I say this........PLEASE look at what tobacco did for us ALL here in Maysville......it helped us GROW, and it sure in world made Farmers in this area alot of money that they actually had to work HARD TO GET.

4. W.F.T.M. (hope I can mention names on here) I always thought it stood for World's Finest Tobacco Market, I could be mistaking on this one.....BUT if I am right.....HUMMMM what can W.F.T.M. stand for now......???????

I think we have bigger issues that we need to address like Drugs, Drug Dealers, Drunk Drivers, Child Abusers, Spouse Abusers I can go on and on and ON........God help us........Let's look at the BIG PROBLEMS and let the smokers smoke and the non-smokers well let them continue to sit in the non smoking section. If I am thinking correctly the the Smokers usually have to walk to the back of most local rest. to eat and we can do it with out the OXYGEN.......Just my thoughts! ;-) Think about it.......and speak out about it!

[bubbysgarage]

Me I am NOT for the smoking ban. Yes I do smoke and if you don't like it well then don't come around me. Someone said it earlier about the non-smokers going into an establishment that allows smoking and requesting first available. Here is an example my husband and I went into an establishment that had smoking and non smoking sections available the couple in front of us requested first available. Well the first available was a seat in the smoking section. They were seated and we waited on our seat in the smoking section. Well low and behold we finally got our seat and it happened to be the table next to the couple who had requested first available. Well the whole time we were sitting there all that couple did was complain about the smoke. So what did I do, I lit one up. Yup on purpose just for the simple fact that I knew they really didn't want me to and I waited for one of them to ask me to put it out. Cause had they asked me to do so I would have told them they should have requested a seat in non smoking if it bothered them that much. Darn the luck though they didn't say a word about me putting my cig out but kept commenting on the fact that I was smoking right next to them. Well me and my big mouth told my husband (and yes I made for darn sure that they could hear me) that if they wanted to complain they should have requested non smoking.

I also agree with everyone who says what's next. I would rather drive with someone who is smoking rather than with someone who is drinking. My smoking while driving is only hurting myself and whomever may be in the vechicle with me. Drunk drivers have the potential to take my life and whomever elses life that may be on the road. I say no to the smoking ban and will till the day I die.

[TheMan]

Ya know, seriously.. If you don't want to be around the utlra-deadly-super-unsafe-cancer-causing-government backed lies of cigarette smoke.. Then go to a place that chooses to be smoke free.. Sheesh man it works both ways.. Don't smoke in your car, don't smoke in your home.. don't smoke at the restaurants that don't allow it, and stop being so ****ed rude~

Oh and before this becomes a defense.. Agree with the non-smoking of government buildings.. since sometimes, people do not have a choice on whether they have to be there or not.. Otherwise, leave what little liberties I have alone please..

[F_Farkell]

Me I am NOT for the smoking ban. Yes I do smoke and if you don't like it well then don't come around me.

Just curious. Your avatar promotes fighting premature birth. Yet you promote smoking around others who ... oh I don't know...might be pregnant?:confused:
Cause had they asked me to do so I would have told them they should have requested a seat in non smoking if it bothered them that much. they should have requested non smoking.

I totally agree. But I also try to be concentrate of others. Since I was not there and don't know all the facts. I'll leave it at that.
Drunk drivers have the potential to take my life and whomever elses life that may be on the road.

TRUE!!

I say no to the smoking ban and will till the day I die.

The doctor told me " keep smoking, it will be sooner than later."
Then asked me if " I wanted to be around for my grand children?":attention:

Just my opinion, no offense meant.:fear:

[TheMan]

I predict that in the next five to ten years.. it will be illegal to eat fatty foods...

What about people, like me, who are allergic to animal dander, most fragrances associated with perfume or cologne and most detergents? Can we get dogs and cats, Tide and Elizabeth Taylors sensory killers banned while we're at it?

[BADBOY]

I live where they already have a smoking ban(Lexington). It hurt the bars at first, then I started seeing some bars having cups of water on every table using them as ashtrays. Letting people smoke in their establishments. If they get caught the get fined, but the business is making more money than the fine. So they keep on doing it, but not every body is doing it. I think that law is stupied in KY, because tobacco is one of our biggest cash crops. Leave it to the owners.

[Antonio'sgirl]

I am sorry, but when I hear someone say they are going to smoke when they are pregnant and everyone else be ****ed, even despite all medical evidence to the health and developmental disabilities that can be caused, I become ill. I remember when I was pregnant with my first child, and my sis-in-law was also pregnant, and smoking, my mom-in-law, who was a smoker like those on this thread, defended my sis-in-law with the statement, "well it only effects 1 in 10 babies." Never mind that her baby could be that 1! Helpless and dependent upon its mother to be born happy and healthy. Mom-in-law also stated all that medical evidence about smoking causing cancer,emphysema, heart disease, and etc. were all crap. I loved her dearly, and I miss her so much! She died Jan. 21 at the age of 58, she will never see her grandbabies grow up. (Guess what she died from). I hope those of you on this thread will wise up and quit smoking. And F-Farkell, I have never agreed with your opinion before, but you spoke wisdom. Congrats for quitting.

[F_Farkell]

And F-Farkell, I have never agreed with your opinion before, but you spoke wisdom. Congrats for quitting.



Ah, ... I knew you would come around. LOL:Banane44:

[Chuck]

I am sitting here smoking a tobacco base cigarette while reading this thread. I am imagining the FBI (Our local Law Enforcement) kicking my door in to arrest me for it.

Read "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denvovich"

I cannot believe we have come to a point in this Country the we beg the Government to control our lives.

Some laws are great but others just seem to be made by control freaks that have a desire to justify their self worth by controlling the lives of others.

Ban Cell Phones because they kill people and cause cancer. (Won't Work) People rather believe that their Cell Phones don't cause cancer.

Ban Alcoholic Beverage because it kill people. (Won't work cause people have a desire to be Belligerent Drunks)

Ban cars that drive fast because they cause really bad crashes. (Won't work cause people have a desire to drive fast)

People are going to die. It is the only real fact of life. How people die is regulated by the Government. I am not saying all Regulation is Bad, just some regulations are stupid and made by control freaks.

Thats my opinion like it or not.

[Flame]

Ok here is how I feel about it. I do not smoke. But if you do I can leave the room the building because I know when there is smoke in the room with me. If they ban that I want all alcohol sales stopped and production stopped because I don't always know when a drunk driver is on the road with me and my family. Drinking and driving kills innocent people. Smokers can't go in Applebee's and eat and smoke. But they can eat and drink alcohol and then drive down the road drunk. So should we have roads that are drinking and non-drinking. "Ma'am today will it be the drinking or non-drinking lane?". DRINKING AND DRIVING IS KILLING PEOPLE.

I predict that in the next five to ten years.. it will be illegal to eat fatty foods...

What about people, like me, who are allergic to animal dander, most fragrances associated with perfume or cologne and most detergents? Can we get dogs and cats, Tide and Elizabeth Taylors sensory killers banned while we're at it?

They need to hurry up with the fatty food ban so I can lose weight.

[Abraham]

Personally, I liked my 1940"s town...that's why I have stayed here & not moved to Lexington or Louisville...into the 21st century. It was a much better, calmer...more peaceful town until all the 21st century people started moving in here, with the powerplants & paper factories....that put out far more pollution than the smoke from a cigarette. Sometimes, people find out...too late...that what they call progress at the time, is not always for the best. I would dearly love to find a small backwoodsy place to move to now & get away from all this "PROGRESS"???? Wonder if I could get a ban on fragrances? A lot of them are very offensive to me....especially when some people think they have to take a bath in them. Then you get in a room full of people with all different "smells" on....I get a terrific headache, almost immediately. To me, that's much worse than the smell of cigarette smoke....at least it's all one smell.....not a bunch of different smells all put together and no way to get away from. "VERY OFFENSIVE."

[Guest]

Someone shows up on this site with a brain!
God Bless you my friend, for having not only a brain, but guts!
To those who "support" rights of smokers, and say things like "non-smokers should go where it's banned to eat". How about those, like me with breathing problems, who might want to eat in a particular place, but can't because of you, the thoughtless smoker, who thinks I should have to breath that crap you're putting in your lungs. I learned one thing from this, who I will not be voting for in future elections!!!!

Are you people crazy? Smoking is killing people!! Second hand smoke is killing people!!!Maysville will have to go non-smoking if it wants to move into the 21st century instead of being a 1940's pro tobacco backwater. Do you want the economy here to grow? Nobody will move into this place if it is a redneck town that supports smoking. Have any of you left here in the last 10 years? Maysville is way behind the times on this issue. Lexington, Louisville have all moved into the 21st century by banning smoking. IT IS NOT LIKE EATING BAD FOOD!!! If you eat bad food I don't get sick, you do..if you smoke around ME I GET SICK..I have to breathe your polluting air. DO IT IN YOUR OWN HOME OR IN YOUR OWN CAR but NOT AROUND A PUBLIC AREA WHERE I HAVE TO BREATHE IT!! Maysville is a beautiful city and my family loves it but we have thought about moving because of the irresponsible city government that allows smoking to continue, I know of others who won't move to unhealthy Kentucky because of all the smoking allowed here. Tobacco money made this town but that was in the past, move into the future Maysville!! I know it is scary to change for some of you who have lived here forever but there is a world out there free of gravy, booze and cigerettes that is living alot longer then the average Kentuckian. You don't have to quit smoking just DON"T DO IT around my family!!!

[Guest]

Ok here is how I feel about it. I do not smoke. But if you do I can leave the room the building because I know when there is smoke in the room with me.

Ya know what? I'm sick of having to leave the room! I should NOT have to breath that junk. I'm also SICK and TIRED of paying for the medical needs of people like smokers, who are killing themselves, and expecting us the tax payer to pay their government sponsored medical cards.
If you totally done away with smoking today, in 25 years, our country would be a much, much healthier place to live. As for fatty foods, THEY KILL TOO! I wonder how many people who have a heart attach, sit there while it's happening and say "dang, a Big Mac would be good right now"?
Not Many I'd guess. If we expect the Government to take care of us, and for a lot of you, they are taking care of you, then they should have some say in your choices.
Tobacco is dead...so live with it and GET OVER IT!

[acoolmom777]

I for one like our little...1940's pro tobacco backwater...redneck town

I don't smoke in businness or on the way to their door....but if I go into a restaurant and they have a smoking section, I sit there by my choice....if they don't then I smoke when I leave or I go outside....I don't smoke in my house or anyone else's house.....but if I am in public, out in the wide open air...then don't sit next to me if I am smoking...go sit over there ----->>>
and gripe

[Chuck]

I'm also SICK and TIRED of paying for the medical needs of people like smokers, who are killing themselves, and expecting us the tax payer to pay their government sponsored medical cards

You will continue to pay high insurance and higher taxes. There will be No reduction in these expeses even if you successfully manage to get smoking banned. Your argument on cost is unfounded. Seat Belt laws proved that and a few others laws before that.

[acoolmom777]

as for not moving to our state because we smoke.....then move to fla...they only are one of the 3 major imports of hard drugs...or Cal...they have the highest rate of HIV...or NY...the crime isn't to bad there....that was just an off the wall statement...geeeezzzz

[Brian K Beckett]

Well if you dont like Maysville because we are not progressing because we do not have a smoking ban then guess what????? You have the right not to live here. (This is America) and you have the FREEDOM to choose where to live. Where to eat. Where to drink. Like I said before if it is really causing an establishment to lose money the it would make ITSELF smoke free.
Its like this you know what goes on in an (ADULT CLUB) so you either choose to go inside or not go inside. It really is that simple. It is not the governments place to say what we can and cannot do.

[bubbysgarage]

The doctor told me " keep smoking, it will be sooner than later."
Then asked me if " I wanted to be around for my grand children?":attention:

Just my opinion, no offense meant.:fear:

Well you know what. My son was born at 25 weeks and 6 days and that is why I support the March of Dimes. I didn't have him that early because of smoking I had him that early because of an accident I was in. So before you go throwing that up in my face know your facts. My son is lucky to be alive and yes they did tests on his lungs and you know what the doctors said. They told me that they couldn't even tell that I had smoked. So now what you want to go into the whole issue that I ate Wendy's everyday and it was fatty foods that caused my premature delivery of my son? Well before you respond go to the thread "Little David William Needs Your Prayers" and read the whole ordeal that I went through. I'm not saying that smoking doesn't cause birth defects cause I know it can. But I can tell you that with both of my son's neither of them have a problem one because I smoked the entire time I was pregnant.

[KyYodler]

Brian, I loved your answer to the non-smokers....I agree whole-heartedly..I am sick to death of being told what I can do, and where I can do it...I'm living for the day when these obese people walking around (costing our health system) lots of money will be told what they may or may not eat...can't wait...and it will happen...then lets see what they have to say on that topic...

[TheMan]

This is not an issue of smoking or not smoking.. This is an issues of a supposed free nation, bowing to the will of few.. That it called fascism.. It all starts with something small, like seatbelt laws, and smoking bans, then other regulations come, like.. i don't know.. curfews... And you end up with a totally government controlled nation.. Learn from history.

If smoking and foods that were bad for you were banned today... we'd be much better off.. Hitler said the same thing..

"Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years."

"Just as a man's denominational orientation is the result of upbringing, and only the religious need as such slumbers in his soul, the political opinion of the masses represents nothing but the final result of an incredibly tenacious and thorough manipulation of their mind and soul."

"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."


Your beautiful dream of the future does not adhere to my personal beliefs and freedoms..

"Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years."

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

[Maxwells]

OK..I am a smoker, I do intend to quit, not because of this post, but for myself. I quit for ten years and started back 5 years ago, biggest mistake of my life..MY BUSINESS....MY CHOICE.....There are people who can draw a check just for being obese..there are people who can draw a check for being a drunkerd....and a druggie....come on people wake up. We are your least problems that are costing you your hard earned tax dollars at work...and mine. If the only thing I had to worry about, was if there was someone smoking in a resteraunt I wanted to eat at.....I would be a happy camper. Anyone ever heard of discrimination....

[Abraham]

You work hard, you finally get enough to buy yourself a piece of property that you can call home. You decide to make some changes...you have to have permission from a couple of different committees, you have to pay a surveyor to tell you how it has to be done, you have to buy a permit to do it, you have to pay an inspector to come check it out after you're done. Think this piece of property is yours? You might be the one paying for it, but you can't make any changes without "PERMISSION". What is wrong with this picture? They would also like to tell you that you can't own a firearm to protect yourself or this property. The NRA has been fighting this battle for a while. Where is it going to stop? Personally, I'm tired of others telling me what I can & cannot do & where I can or cannot do it. I have always been considerate of others...wish they would give me the same courtesy.

[scjackson]

Well, now we know what the F stands for in WFTM. Will Fascism Takeover Maysville? We can keep complaining back and forth, but they will do what they want to do anyway. Bubbysgarage, I'm with you because when I was pregnant with my daughter and when she was delivered she weighed 9lb 4 1/2 oz. and I smoked like crazy. Its scary to think what she would have been if I didn't smoke? ohohohoh

[Chuck]

Well, now we know what the F stands for in WFTM. Will Fascism Takeover Maysville?

I like your acronym but not sure if we should pick on WFTM. They have no control over the issues of Maysville.

[Abraham]

Not picking on WFTM...only a play on letters, but since it can no longer stand for World's Finest Tobacco Market...I loved scjackson's comment. If some had it their way...that is what it would stand for.

[gleroyjr]

I Am A Non Smoker, But I Say Smoke Them If U Got Them.
Get Off The Smokers Back. Tired Of Hearing About It. If U Dont Like Smoking In Bars And Resturants Then Don't Go To Them.
Please People Shut Up.

[sorebones]

Are you people crazy? Smoking is killing people!! Second hand smoke is killing people!!!Maysville will have to go non-smoking if it wants to move into the 21st century instead of being a 1940's pro tobacco backwater. Do you want the economy here to grow? Nobody will move into this place if it is a redneck town that supports smoking. Have any of you left here in the last 10 years? Maysville is way behind the times on this issue. Lexington, Louisville have all moved into the 21st century by banning smoking. IT IS NOT LIKE EATING BAD FOOD!!! If you eat bad food I don't get sick, you do..if you smoke around ME I GET SICK..I have to breathe your polluting air. DO IT IN YOUR OWN HOME OR IN YOUR OWN CAR but NOT AROUND A PUBLIC AREA WHERE I HAVE TO BREATHE IT!! Maysville is a beautiful city and my family loves it but we have thought about moving because of the irresponsible city government that allows sm. ./. oking to continue, I know of others who won't move to unhealthy Kentucky because of all the smoking allowed here. Tobacco money made this town but that was in the past, move into the future Maysville!! I know it is scary to change for some of you who have lived here forever but there is a world out there free of gravy, booze and cigerettes that is living alot longer then the average Kentuckian. You don't have to quit smoking just DON"T DO IT around my family!!!
I don't go where I think something will harm me I don't drink so I don't go to bars . But it's not about "smoking or drinking " or Maysville growing . This issure is about taking our rights . The right to smoke or not to smoke . If truly belived that Ky was unhealthy then I would move to a Big City where there are a lot more dangers than this .If we as citizens of Maysville and Mason county don't stop this foolishness now What will they try to do next???

[littlelee]

I am a smoker and completely against a smoking ban until they start banning alcohol. I would much rather meet a driver on the road smoking a cigarette than one who has been drinking. That driver is much more likely to injure or kill someone than the one smoking. But politicians will never put a ban on alcohol because the vast majority of them drink. If our government doesn't get back to the basics and start worrying about things that are way more important than whether I'm killing MYSELF with a cigarette, we will be no better off than all those third world countries who have nothing.

[acoolmom777]

non-smoker vs smoker.....:croc:




:argue: Get over it...I pay taxes and my own medical bills

I also smoked with both of my kids...they are both smart and healthy...

[bubbysgarage]

I don't go where I think something will harm me I don't drink so I don't go to bars . But it's not about "smoking or drinking " or Maysville growing . This issure is about taking our rights . The right to smoke or not to smoke . If truly belived that Ky was unhealthy then I would move to a Big City where there are a lot more dangers than this .If we as citizens of Maysville and Mason county don't stop this foolishness now What will they try to do next???


Amen to that. Where will they draw the line next. They have already told me to wear my seat belt (which I hate doing ;)) or I get a fine, I won't build a house because I have to have someone's permission to build it they way I would want to, they tell me when I can and cannot buy beer, where does it stop, telling me when I can and can't sleep, eat, or drink? If you haven't noticed yet we aren't a country of freedom anymore.

[Guest]

Well let me just say this and I will let this ALLLLLLL go......

If I were to quit smoking I would still have hospital bills along with the people around me.........BECAUSE, they wouldn't want to be around me and someone would be hurt and end up in the hospital or Dr office anyway.

So I have spoken my thoughts and I am going to let it go....and VOTE NO!!

To each their own........I can name people who don't even smoke and when you see them in the BAR's......when they GRAB a BEER they GRAB a CIG.....OK now I will let it go........LOL

[ponto]

The issue is second hand smoke.

Now that I think about this, mainly because people keep posting and I keep reading.

Most of the problem areas in the world are second hand problems.

Bullets are fine in the gun, it is the second hand bullet that is the problem.

I would list more, but I have to go outside to load the gun and have a smoke.

[Chuck]

OK, Ponto is banned from posting on the BBS. His Second Hand Comments are ofensive to. me.

[Sassie Mama]

it wasn't to long ago that some people said that the popcorn in the movie theaters was bad for us. but yet we still buy it when we go to see a movie. in today's society everything that we eat, drink or smell is bad for us. I say to each is own. and yes i am a smoker.if they are not picking on us smokers. it's something else. Some people are never happy. jmo

[acoolmom777]

roflao @@@ ponto and Chuck


Hey Daphne...
I see you down there...


\/.....heehee

[kdown]

It's such an emotional issue there's no way to win the argument on either side.

[Chuck]

well atleast the poll is only off by 6 votes. 3 pro and 3 against.

[Bengals_Mama]

I actually voted for the smoking ban in Ohio. It's not true that it's hurting the businesses, I don't know where you people are getting your facts. The majority of businesses are doing no worse than before the ban. There may be some bars that are suffering a little, but they all have smoking areas outside. It's not really a big deal to get your lazy butt up & walk outside to smoke. The reason I voted for it was because I hated taking my children into a smoky restaurant to eat, it's not fair. If you want to kill yourself by smoking that's your business, but do it where it's not going to affect the health of me or my children.

I'm kind of split on the bars & private businesses though, because I don't go to them, and I wouldn't take my children to them either. If it was an all adult establishment I would probably be ok with the smoking. Actually the restaurants in Ohio are making up for the loss of smoking with the people who did not, and are not able to be around smoke. It's a totally different atmosphere. Very pleasant.

Don't get mad at me for speaking the truth, because I believe you have the right to do what you want to your own body. Just don't force it on other people, because that is not right. How many people have to die from lung problems before we wake up & realize something is not right here?

For you Christians out there, open up your Bibles & read them again. You are slowly committing suicide. Don't force your children to be around it either. If you don't care enough about yourself to quit, then at least keep it away from your babies. My Mom was recently diagnosed with C.O.P.D. from smoking, but yet she still smokes. She will die from it. You will be able to inhale all the smoke you want in ****, but is it worth the price?

[sorebones]

True , If you have health problems , anything you do can and will aggravate them . The problem is we're goin to have a lot of health issuse's and weather smoking is allowed or not . But are RIGHTS are being taken away every day . We have got to take a stand NOW. I used to go across the River and eat supper everyday but if you look the resturant is for sale and will probably close soon ,so I'll stay over here and eat supper in a smoking or Non smoking reaturant .which I choose. As for smoking in ****** probablely won't have time , we'll be running from the FLAMES .

[Chuck]

We quit eating "In" at Pizza Hut and Applebee's because of their smoking policy. Applebee's will never know if it hurts their business. They started out Non-Smoking.

That is thier right and I respect it. I still order Pizza Hut but Applebee's stuff is not very good "Take Home".

[Melinda]

True , If you have health problems , anything you do can and will aggravate them . The problem is we're goin to have a lot of health issuse's and weather smoking is allowed or not . But are RIGHTS are being taken away every day . We have got to take a stand NOW. I used to go across the River and eat supper everyday but if you look the resturant is for sale and will probably close soon ,so I'll stay over here and eat supper in a smoking or Non smoking reaturant .which I choose. As for smoking in ****** probablely won't have time , we'll be running from the FLAMES .

I agree with you. It's not about the actual smoking, it's about the rights that are gradually being ignored. I guess I'll be running from those flames too. LOL

[Maxwells]

Rights were have they gone...are we someday going to loose them all...whats that remind you of....

[TheMan]

I actually voted for the smoking ban in Ohio. It's not true that it's hurting the businesses, I don't know where you people are getting your facts. The majority of businesses are doing no worse than before the ban. There may be some bars that are suffering a little, but they all have smoking areas outside. It's not really a big deal to get your lazy butt up & walk outside to smoke. The reason I voted for it was because I hated taking my children into a smoky restaurant to eat, it's not fair. If you want to kill yourself by smoking that's your business, but do it where it's not going to affect the health of me or my children.

I'm kind of split on the bars & private businesses though, because I don't go to them, and I wouldn't take my children to them either. If it was an all adult establishment I would probably be ok with the smoking. Actually the restaurants in Ohio are making up for the loss of smoking with the people who did not, and are not able to be around smoke. It's a totally different atmosphere. Very pleasant.

Don't get mad at me for speaking the truth, because I believe you have the right to do what you want to your own body. Just don't force it on other people, because that is not right. How many people have to die from lung problems before we wake up & realize something is not right here?

For you Christians out there, open up your Bibles & read them again. You are slowly committing suicide. Don't force your children to be around it either. If you don't care enough about yourself to quit, then at least keep it away from your babies. My Mom was recently diagnosed with C.O.P.D. from smoking, but yet she still smokes. She will die from it. You will be able to inhale all the smoke you want in ****, but is it worth the price?


About were we get our information.. I got mine from the unbiased opinions (mostly) of Clear Channel and a few other common article.. I didn't rely on Print, TV or Radio ads, like you hear all the time stating that it's not economically impacting some business.. Please come from another angle.

And what does Christianity have to do with smoking or not?

[littlelee]

I don't think Christianity has anything to do with smoking. There is nothing in the Bible that specifically speaks about smoking. I believe that smoking is an issue that's between each individual and God. I am a Christian and I smoke. I believe that if God tells me to quit smoking and I don't, then I'm sinning because I'm not being obedient. God looks at our hearts not our outward appearance or habits.

I also want to say that I have a 9 year old child that has been around cigarette smoke since she was conceived. My husband and I both smoked through the whole pregnancy and have smoked ever since. She is as healthy as a horse and always has been. Her pediatrician even knows we smoke and has never told us at all that we need to quit.

But the whole point isn't about Christianity or about secondhand smoke, it's about our rights. How much longer will it be before we're living like China and other countries where we're told how many kids we're allowed to have or not have, when we can or can't go to the doctor, etc. etc. If WE THE PEOPLE don't start standing up for our rights soon, it will be too late.

[Chuck]

I would like to see at least 400 Votes on this Poll. Please tell your friends both smokers and non-smokers. Lets get some real numbers.

http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=sendtofriend&t=7684

[kdown]

The Tenth Admendment to the Constitution has been turned on its head by the Supreme Court. This amendment simply states that all powers not expressly given to the federal government by the Constitution, and all powers not prohibited to the states or the people, remain with the people. Restated, this Amendment simply means the federal government has only those powers specifically given to it in the Constitution, and no others.

In practice, the Supreme Court has interpreted this Amendment to have the opposite meaning. The Court has allowed the government to expand into any area it chooses, so long as that area was not specifically allocated to the states or the people, and even then it often permitted the government to expand anyway.

For example, most federal agencies represent an improper expansion of federal power. expansion of the federal government's powers over those set forth in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights There is no provision anywhere in the Constitution for the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, the National Endowment for the Arts, Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce or the Department of Education, to name just a few.

Nowhere is the government given the power to regulate tobacco, alcohol, education, commerce within the states, employment, or the language a landlord can use to advertise an apartment for rent.

Would the Framers have tolerated such intrusions?

The Founders Were Better Men Than We Are. We have let them down.

We allowed our government to get out of control. We countenanced and tolerated all manner of abuse. We allowed politicians and others to divide us on racial and ethnic lines. We allowed ourselves to be swindled at the ballot box by charlatans. We traded the responsibilities of freedom for transitory material comforts and "government handouts" (paid for with our tax money). In short, we made the government our surrogate mommy, and in so doing, we gave up our pride, our honor, our independence and our freedom.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We deserve the government we have.

[PoliticallyConfused]

Mason County was built from tobacco money. A smoking ban county wide would be a slap in the face to the roots of this community.

Smoking may increase the odds of anyone getting sick or whatever, but we all are going to die someday. :eek: I know this may be a shock to some of you, by the way you are posting.

I will continue to eat what I want when I want and smoke my cigarettes. I know I am going to die someday, not necessarily from smoking either. I probably have better odds of getting killed while driving to work. :Banane36:

[BADBOY]

Mason County was built from tobacco money. A smoking ban county wide would be a slap in the face to the roots of this community.

Smoking may increase the odds of anyone getting sick or whatever, but we all are going to die someday. :eek: I know this may be a shock to some of you, by the way you are posting.

I will continue to eat what I want when I want and smoke my cigarettes. I know I am going to die someday, not necessarily from smoking either. I probably have better odds of getting killed while driving to work. :Banane36:

Heck yeah, I with you all the way.

Where is my bigmac & fries. I'm hungry, then I need a cig.

:alien:

[anb_swrk]

Someone posted on here in an earlier post that there are many restuarants that are already smoke free.... if this is the case then what else do people want. Let the bars and stuff stay smoking, you should know if you're going into one of these businesses there is likely going to be smoking and that give you no right to complain.

[Guest]

In the world does the fact that Mason County grew a crop that has killed more people than Hitler, have to do with the current state of the status on tobacco use? You want a wake up call, go over to the nursing home and see the 60 year olds lying there who can't get their freaking breath because they smoked for 40 years. you're right, we're all gonna die, but it's the 'quality" of life in later yeas that's important. Honestly, you may get mad at my view, but you really should be thankful that there are people like me, who care about YOUR health and the health of those around you. Stop smoking now, and I promise, in 10 years you'll be saying "that's the best thing I ever did".

Mason County was built from tobacco money. A smoking ban county wide would be a slap in the face to the roots of this community.

Smoking may increase the odds of anyone getting sick or whatever, but we all are going to die someday. :eek: I know this may be a shock to some of you, by the way you are posting.

I will continue to eat what I want when I want and smoke my cigarettes. I know I am going to die someday, not necessarily from smoking either. I probably have better odds of getting killed while driving to work. :Banane36:

[sorebones]

What your saying is true to a point . My Aunt smoked ,Quit ,hadn't smoked for over 20 years and died of Lung Cancer . So quitting didn't help her . My sister smoked from the time she was 16 tell she Died at the age of 47 with cancer which had Nothing to do with Smoking . So we could argue the issue to Smoke Or Not Smoke . Let's KEEP our Right to do whichever , If you see someone smoke and don't want around it then Walk away .

There is a song that says " You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything "
I think we all could be a little cosiderate of others about a lot of things we don't have to order someone around to get our way . We most certainly don't need to make laws or change our way of life just because everyone else does . " Don't be puppet on a string " be your own person .

KEEP YOUR RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER <

[BADBOY]

What your saying is true to a point . My Aunt smoked ,Quit ,hadn't smoked for over 20 years and died of Lung Cancer . So quitting didn't help her . My sister smoked from the time she was 16 tell she Died at the age of 47 with cancer which had Nothing to do with Smoking . So we could argue the issue to Smoke Or Not Smoke . Let's KEEP our Right to do whichever , If you see someone smoke and don't want around it then Walk away .

There is a song that says " You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything "
I think we all could be a little cosiderate of others about a lot of things we don't have to order someone around to get our way . We most certainly don't need to make laws or change our way of life just because everyone else does . " Don't be puppet on a string " be your own person .

KEEP YOUR RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER <

Thats one of the smartest post I've read all day! Here is another one
"If it isn't broke, then don't fix it."

[Jeremy]

Read through some of the posts and most of them go along the lines of "If I'm smoking, just don't come around me." The proposed ban isn't against smoking in your home, your yard, or your car. It's not to outlaw smoking altogether, like marijuana. It's to ban smoking in public places.

You don't have to be a smoker for smoking to harm you. You can also have health problems from breathing in other people's smoke. Secondhand smoke is the combination of smoke that comes from the burning end of a cigarette, cigar or pipe and the smoke exhaled by the smoker. Secondhand smoke contains more than 50 substances that can cause cancer. Health effects of exposure to secondhand smoke include lung cancer, nasal sinus cancer, respiratory tract infections and heart disease.

The law wouldn't take your right to smoke away. You can smoke all you want as long as it isn't around other people. If you think your right to smoke trumps their right not to have to breathe in your 50 substances that cause cancer, I'm sorry, that's just selfish. The argument that they can just leave logically follows that you can as well.

I say all of this as a smoker. I smoke cigars, sometimes around other people, and I really shouldn't. If it takes a law for me to stop being a [insert bad words], it's because I wasn't respectful enough to take my smoking elsewhere.

(I would also support a clause in the law for smoker's clubs, where people are required to wave their right to a smoke free environment to enter.)

[TheMan]

Every time you walk out your door, you breath poison..

[bubbysgarage]

I'll second that one. Remember we live on the Ohio River and there are power plants along with factories in our back yard.

[sorebones]

A Ban tells me , I Can't ,It's the first step to a Law that says ," I Can't " I
I'm sure your right about the dangers , but there are dangers in everything we do . So you can get your Ban , don't smoke , Let's set down to dinner with our family at a local resturant and have a few drinks and DRIVE the wife and kids home . After there are enough accidents involving alcohol then if we're lucky we can get a Ban on that too.

[Guest]

I have served in the military for 14+ years. I served a year in Iraq fighting for our freedom and our AMERICAN way of life. If I have to give up those rights because someone or some group of people ban me from smoking in a resturant then I think that you need to see your local recruiter and serve your country. I believe that everyone has the GOD given right to make their own decision on such a trivial topic. There are plus and minus' to both sides. However, I feel that I have earned my right to decide on not have someone to decide for me.

[Jeremy]

What's being overlooked is that the "dangers in everything we do" is in this case is "dangers we do to others". Drinking and driving is completely banned, on the possibility that we may harm others. Smoking in public places is not banned, when it's definite harm we do to others. You can drink and drive, and you can fill a room with smoke that others who don't smoke will inhale, but you really shouldn't do either.

[TheMan]

One is a perceived danger, the other is a proven one...

And it's not about smoking or not.. It's about rights.. personal freedoms, and the right for a business owner to choose how he runs his business.. Why should the government, so lobbyist group or be healthy stampede tell a business owner how he should run it? I don't get it. If you owned a bar and I said that brand A is bad for your health and you should ban it, you'd laugh me out of your place. IF I walked into McDonalds and said your fries are to greasy you should ban it.. They'd laugh at me and tell me not to buy them.

Simply put. If it's a smoking establishment, and you don't want to be around the smoke, don't go. If it's a non-smoking establishment and you HAVE to smoke then don't go.. But dang man.. Don't let someone else tell you how you have to run your business..

http://www.socialsmokers.org/ten_biggest_lies_about_smoking.html

[BADBOY]

TheMan: I just had to pull this one out for the info.

THE LIE: Cigarette smoke and Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) or Second Hand
Smoke (SHS) Causes cancer.

THE Truth: Simply stated there is no known cause for any type of cancer. With all the
testing that has been done with every type of chemical, gas, inert matter, and
substances that have been altered through exposure to heat or chemical reaction,
nothing has been proven to cause cancer. NOTHING! In some instances specific
substances, in massive quantities, have been administered to laboratory rats. In these
cases many of the animals might have developed a cancer. These sorts of tests may be
considered Junk Science in that they have no relationship to a real life scenario.

[Tom Pfeffer]

I had to shorten the list to get thisreply on BBS

RWJF and the Johnson & Johnson Company derive financial benefits from the passage of smoking bans due to an increase in pharmaceutical nicotine product sales ...

Friday, January 05, 2007

100 bars and restaurants put out of business in less than two years since Minneapolis, St. Paul, and Bloomington, MN. enacted smoking bans

Apparently the pro-smoking ban activists lied to lawmakers and the employees who would later lose their jobs. when they stated that smoking bans were good for business.

The pharmaceutical nicotine industry which funds non-profit organizations to lobby in favor of smoking bans, continue to tell lawmakers that smoking bans are good for business. The following business owners and laid-off employees tell a different story.

What motivates Nicoderm, Nicoderm CQ, Nicorette, and Chantix drug makers Johnson & Johnson Company, Pfizer, and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) to continue funding smoking ban efforts? Nearly $1 billion in smoking cessation products sales annually for starters.

Minneapolis, Bloomington & St. Paul MN. hospitality establishments out of business since the smoking ban began 3/31/05...... 100 closed in 20 months. Updated list in no particular order (includes updates from MN Monthly, Pioneer Press, Twin Cities Business Journal, KMSP 9 news, WCCO, and more)

1) Hop's Maple Grove, MN..
3) Copelands Minneapolis
4) TGIF Brooklyn Center, MN.
5) TGIF Minneapolis, MN.
6) Nick & Tony's Minneapolis, MN.
7) America's Original Sportsbar Mall of America Bloomington, MN.
8) Jillian's Mall of America Bloomington, MN.
9) Park Tavern Bloomington, MN.
11) Goodfellow's Minneapolis, MN.
12) Chang O'Hara's (bankruptcy protection) St. Paul (Now the Happy Gnome)
13) Mainstreet Bar & Cafe Maple Grove, MN.
18) Jacobs 101 Minneapolis
19) CafŽ Di Napoli Minneapolis
20) Majors
21) Southtown Bingo Bloomington, MN.
23) 3 Muses
24) 13 Moons Minneapolis, MN.
25) 510 Restaurant Minneapolis, MN.
29) El Rey de Oro
30) Mpls. CafŽ Minneapolis, MN.
31) Soul City Supper Club
32) Tonic of Uptown Minneapolis, MN. 33) Porter's Minneapolis, MN.
34) Molly Quinn's Minneapolis, MN. (local media covers this closing) Breakaway Bar -(Luke is still hanging on as best he can, stop by and say hello)
36) Margarita Bella Minneapolis, MN.
37) Olive Garden
38) Knuckleheads Comedy Club Mall of America Bloomington, MN.
39) Asian Infusion, St. Paul, MN.
40) Big E.Õs Soul Food, Minneapolis, MN.
41) ChetÕs Taverna, St. Paul, MN.
43) JazzmineÕs, Minneapolis, MN.
44) Katsu Sushi, St. Paul, MN.
45) Le Bambou, Minneapolis 46) Mangia, Minneapolis, MN.
47) Margaux LimitŽe, St. Paul, MN.
48) Marketplace CafŽ, Minneapolis, MN.
49) Red, Minneapolis, MN.
50) RockinÕ Lobster, St. Paul, MN.
51) Bobino's Starlight Lounge, Mpls, MN.
52) Wazobia Nigerian Cafe, Minneapolis
54) Player's Mall of America Bloomington, MN
57) Stasius Bar Minneapolis, MN (reopened under new mgmt?) Bob Moffitt Communications Dir. for American Lung MN once referred to Stasiu's as his "old stomping grounds".

100 closings in 20 months, that's 5 closings per month. Or at 580 days into the smoking ban which equals one bar /restaurant closing every 6 days. I wonder how many closed during the same period last year, anybody out there with an answer?

Update: According to this Star Tribune story Dec. 2004......a total of 15 establishments closed in all of 2004.

The city of St. Louis Park MN. Environmental Health Dept. proved secondhand smoke concentrations are 500 - 15 times safer than OSHA standards for secondhand smoke. The median test result is 152 times safer than OSHA guidelines. Definitely NOT a health hazard. But of course Nicoderm and all the non-profits which accepted RWJF/Nicoderm money have a different message tainted by their financial agenda.

In virtually every city where [Stanton A.] Glantz and [Lisa R.A.] Smith alleged a smoking ban was imposed, there was a significant decline in sales at eating and drinking establishments.Ó--Dr. Michael K. Evans Clinical Professor of Economics Kellogg School, Northwestern University

It's clearly time to reverse the anti-business agenda of smoking bans, in light of the fact that lawmakers are influenced by distorted and omitted data from the pharmaceutical nicotine industry and the non-profit organizations in their employ.

Our own local media concedes the fact that the Bloomington city council smoking ban killed the hospitality business at Mall of America.

Is secondhand smoke really a hazard? Not according to American Cancer Society air quality testing, government environmental health department testing and their comparison to OSHA permissible exposure limits OSHA Standards CFR 29.

[Maxwells]

Yep..I agree, we live right between two Power Plants, God only knows what we are breathing, especially when they blow them stacks. I do not believe in drinking and driving, never did never will...it is a killer to innocent and the guilty for doing it. If your going to drink stay home or have a designated driver always. I am sure when people leave the resturants, with their families, they do not always have a designated driver...YOU THINK

[TheMan]

No matter what facts you print, it won't be read, or believed by those wishing to control other's lives. Those supporting a smoking ban see only directly in front of them and not the big picture. While I support a true public ban (ie. Any place the public hasn't a choice to be or go.) I think it's ludicrous to try and tell business owners how they should run their business. Again, if they choose to be smoke free, so be it. If they don't? Don't do business with them.. Simple idea really...

[Maxwells]

Amen...to TheMan...couldn't of said it better myself.

[jlmer]

I read a few weeks ago that there is no scientific evidence that second hand smoke is bad for you

[TheMan]

No just EPA and Anti-Smoking Activist groups propaganda...

BTW.. Nicotine is shown to have properties that inhibit Alzheimer's

[sorebones]

We could have a Ban on smoking in public places , wouldn't hurt anyone to wait and lite up later . Let's say you start with a public Ban . Now they have already started to tell you what you Can and Can not do . Where does it stop . Next time they will say ,you can't smoke at home cause there might be a child there , can't endanger a child right . Then they will say you have to pay more for INSURANCE CAUSE YOU SMOKE , or you can't get Insurance if you smoke . WHAT WILL IT BE NEXT. Help support our men and women in the Military ,Lets KEEP what RIGHTS we have left . After all that 's what there fighting and dieing for . OUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE .

[PoliticallyConfused]

In the world does the fact that Mason County grew a crop that has killed more people than Hitler, have to do with the current state of the status on tobacco use? You want a wake up call, go over to the nursing home and see the 60 year olds lying there who can't get their freaking breath because they smoked for 40 years. you're right, we're all gonna die, but it's the 'quality" of life in later yeas that's important. Honestly, you may get mad at my view, but you really should be thankful that there are people like me, who care about YOUR health and the health of those around you. Stop smoking now, and I promise, in 10 years you'll be saying "that's the best thing I ever did".


I think you need a wake up call if you think that Mason County Farmers has killed more people than Hitler. I may be confused but not as much as you. :croc:

Don't make a promise you can't keep. Like I said I have a better chance of getting killed in a car wreck on my way to work, than being killed by smoking.

[Flame]

Mason County was built from tobacco money. A smoking ban county wide would be a slap in the face to the roots of this community.

Smoking may increase the odds of anyone getting sick or whatever, but we all are going to die someday. :eek: I know this may be a shock to some of you, by the way you are posting.

I will continue to eat what I want when I want and smoke my cigarettes. I know I am going to die someday, not necessarily from smoking either. I probably have better odds of getting killed while driving to work. :Banane36:

I agree and I don't smoke. I just don't think the goverment should be able to tell people what choices they can make. God don't. There is a book called the Bible that sets down the way God wants you to live but he lets you have the choice whether you do that or not and then there is consequences to those choices. I mean I have diabetes is someone going to ban all starches and sugars cause I shouldn't eat them they may kill me? NO they aren't and if I chose (and I do) to eat them and it kills me I'm the one to blame. Should I be arrested if caught eating those?

[hawk43]

I believe people should have the right to smoke whereever they want. This is the USA where people have the right to smoke when and where they want.This is not a communist country yet,but if we keep letting the government tell us what we can and cant do,pretty soon it will be.I was in the Army and served in Desert Storm to fight for my beloved country,and for everyone here so we could live free and make our own choices.If you dont want to smoke thats fine,I,dont smoke either,but I wont tell everyone else they cant smoke just because I dont.These are our rights of freedom as being AMERICANS. Thank you for reading and this is just my opinon.

[Melinda]

I smoked while pregnant with both of my children. Thank God they are healthy. It could have turned out a very different way. I grew up with a smoking parent. Thank God I'm healthy. It could have turned out a very different way. However, I don't believe that the minimal time you spend in a restaurant eating (what one hour at the most if the waiting staff and cooks are doing their job well) and possibly having to inhale smoke from at least 8 or 10 feet away that is being filtered as well through the ventilation systems in restaurants, is that harmful to you. Someone posted earlier that they would never tell people what to do in their own home, just in public places. Well, if you really cared about the "health" of this nation as so many people for the ban state, then you would be more worried about those people smoking in their home or around their kids. Because, to me, that is more harmful than breathing the smoke air from a well-ventilated place several feet away. So, just say what you mean. You don't like the smell. You hide behind the "health" benefits, instead of being honest and saying what really makes you mad in the first place. You could care less about my health, your own, or your children's because if you did, you would ban restaurants all together. I know a home-cooked meal if prepared properly is much more healthy for you and your children than the restaurant's food. Just because you are mad at the "smell" (which, by the way, a lot of smells offend me, but I just hold my nose and go on eating), you want to take away a business owner's right to make decisions about their own business. How sad!
By the way, I'm not just hiding behind a business owner's right because I want to be able to smoke in a restaurant. Because, unfortunately, not only do I smoke, but I also love to eat even if it's nonsmoking by the business owner's choice.

[acoolmom777]

I am a smoker...but...I hate the smell in my hair on my breath and on my clothes...I can’t stand dirty ash-trays.... the price I pay for a carton is ridicules…. but all of them are my choice…I would not tell the person next to me …”you need to move and they should ban your perfume/cologne I don’t like the smell it is hurting my lungs”….or close the beauty shops because I don’t want to get my hair cut with the smell of perms and dyes, and lets not forget all the hair spray you breath while you and in there….or here is one….I don’t eat at so and so because they serve the person next to me an ice cream Sunday and I am on a diet or have health problems and not allow to eat that stuff…..If you don’t like something/someone/some-place…..remove yourself from the situation…..

I call these type of people…CC…Chronic Complainers

When they get done with the cigarettes……what will be next…..I want my neighbor to move because their kids or dogs are to loud and it could effect my hearing in later years….????? Oh Please…..

Spend this energy and money…..towards feeding the hungry children in our country or helping the homeless get back on their feet…..

[bubbysgarage]

Very well put acoolmom. Chronic complainers seem to be taking up most of our nations population and we need to fight back before we have to ask permission to go use the restroom (which for some of us that would be every 5 minutes;))

[acoolmom777]

lol...right there with ya on the restroom thing....but did you know....my hubby was a line leader at a local factory and the women had to ask him to go to the bathroom, and sometimes they needed to do "other- things" and he just ended up telling them to go when they needed too...saved both party's constant embarrassment......

[LaDy RoYaLs MoM]

I am with "acoolmom". Where is the Freedom??? My husband and I both smoke and we have several friends that do as well. I am courteous enough that if I am with someone that doesnt smoke I will refrain from smoking or excuse myself from their presence. If I want to smoke, it is my money that I am spending for the cigarettes, it is my health that I may or may not be destroying, and I am by all means old enough to purchase the cigarettes and decide for myself if I want to smoke them. I could leave work today and get hit by a car, I could have been on the bridge in Minneapolis and been one of the people that didnt survive, or in one of the towers on 9/11 none of those incidences would be the result of me being a smoker or by being around someone who smokes. When it is your time to go, god will make the decision when, where, and why.

[kdown]

.......and the worst of the bunch is the reformed smoker.........get a life

[bettymc]

Yes...I agree , the reformed smoker is the worst to complain. I would love to quit smoking....but if and when I do....I'll not badger the ones who do smoke.

[TheMan]

Oh I will.. I'll be the worst.. If I can't smoke.. no one else can....:P

[Guest]

I spend no money in Nohio,,,,,,eat only where smoking is allowed ////No smoking no money spent......works for me.......everyone should try this approach......

[Chuck]

Ate supper at the Waffle House in Lexington. We where the only people in this place from 7:00 pm till 8:00 pm. I ask if they where always this slow. The reply was only since the smoking ban. The only had 1 waitress and 1 cook working.

[Foxy]

I find it interesting that out of all the people here taking this poll say that they DO NOT support a ban...hmmm... wonder who all they called besides Jeremy of course...
Hope those voted in office are still here on the BBS reading, I also hope they see what the people are saying..real people that can be verified and helped them win an election.

.......and the worst of the bunch is the reformed smoker.........get a life
OMG That is so true! My mother is a "reformed" smoker... geeeesh... she says you shouldn't smoke... well where was she when I was little and stuck in a car full of her and dad's smoke??? I have freinds who don't smoke and they don't nag me, but boy oh boy leave it up to mom...lmbo

[Victor McKay]

This issue is hot. Very hot. Just look at the cities in Kentucky that have passed some sort of smoking ban. Smoking is going to be a hot topic as long we allow it to be. My father smoked cigarettes. My grandfather smoked a pipe. Both died of cancer and doctors made us very aware that smoking probably did them in. My father was 66, grandfather 75.
Now, my maternal grandfather smoked cigarettes. Enjoyed a drink or two and lived until the ripe age of 98.
I have eight brothers and every one of them smoked one time or another. I'm the only one who smokes a cigarette now and then. They hound me whenever they see me light one up. They're concerned and I'm very appreciative. However.......
I'm probably going to catch some flack here but I personally feel that smoking is a bad habit. I've quit twice now and can attest that when I did, I felt better. Food actually had flavor (not my wife's); I could breathe and had was engergized. Being a 46-year-old father of a six year old boy and a two year old girl, I need all the energy I can get. Unfortunately, I still make time to smoke a cigarette from time to time.
With that being said, even though I'm a professed smoker, I feel that it's not government's place to police the smoking of tobacco. If health officials and politicians were so concerned about our well being then why don't they cut the snake's head off? Why don't they just shut down big tobacco? Don't slap them on the wrist. Shut them down. I know they won't shut them down and you know it as well.
Facilities financed by the tax payers should be smoke free. I have no problem with that. Business owners should be permitted to run their businesses without outside interference. The government is to involved in their business affairs already.
I'm not condoning smoking. I'm still trying to quit. But there are more important issues that need to be taken care of. Life; liberty and the persuit of happiness!

[Brian K Beckett]

You wont get any flack from me. I agree with you Vic. except about your wifes cookin. You are a brave man. I wouldt cross her.

[TheMan]

Well said Mr. McKay... Reps to you...

[gowens]

Smoke them if you got them!!!

[sorebones]

I believe people should have the right to smoke whereever they want. This is the USA where people have the right to smoke when and where they want.This is not a communist country yet,but if we keep letting the government tell us what we can and cant do,pretty soon it will be.I was in the Army and served in Desert Storm to fight for my beloved country,and for everyone here so we could live free and make our own choices.If you dont want to smoke thats fine,I,dont smoke either,but I wont tell everyone else they cant smoke just because I dont.These are our rights of freedom as being AMERICANS. Thank you for reading and this is just my opinon.

Our Thanks are to you for past service , Thanks for giving us the RIGHT to CHoose .

[scjackson]

Here here for Mr. McKay! I am a reformed smoker, but I will NOT complain to someone else about their smoking. My older kids will smoke when they come over to the house and I will not tell them to not smoke in their home. They might have their own homes, but this is still HOME. I had to quit because of a heart attack but if I hadn't had it, I would be puffing on one right now. I really enjoyed a cigarette after I ate. I really think this is about a persons right instead of smoking. My husband died of cancer last year and the doctor told him that it was NOT cigarettes that caused it but acid reflux. He was a two and three pack person a day! What is different than say fifty years ago when everyone smoked? Maybe rolling your own????

[LaDy RoYaLs MoM]

scjackson, I am right here with you!!! Look at the poll, that says it all!!!!

[bubbysgarage]

My grandmother smoked at min 2 packs a day up until she passed away in 1992. She was 64 years young when she passed away and the doctors told her family that it had nothing to do with her smoking. She had ulsers and thats what got her. She was like my second mother for the first 2 years of my life while my mom worked and I really looked up to her and still do to this day. My grandmother was an amazing woman who smoked and you never heard her say she needed to quit and back then you never heard anyone hounding another person that they need to quit. I think our health professionals (doctors, ect.) have to much knowledge for their own good. They read too much into the "effects" and they don't look at the big picture. When I was younger I suffered from allgeries and asthma, I started smoking at the age of 15 and when I made a trip to my allergist he actually told me that my lungs were improving and asked me if I thought it was the meds he had me on. Yup I lied to him and told him it was but I myself wonder if it wasn't me starting smoking. I have no intentions of quitting and if you don't like my smoking stay away from me, my home, and our garage cause I smoke in both of those places. Now if I'm with someone who doesn't smoke, like in their car or home, I will respect them and excuse myself but those who know me know my attitude when I'm told I need to quit. Well we all have flaws that we need to quit and you don't see me hounding you to quit your flaws so back off my freedoms.

[Victor McKay]

Thanks, Brian. I'm only brave when she's not around. I eat it. Appreciate it. Help clean it. But.....That's where the occassional after dinner smoke comes in. I must admit, there have been times in which I couldn't tell which was worse. The cooking or the cigarette. Now that, my friend, is being brave...lol.
You wont get any flack from me. I agree with you Vic. except about your wifes cookin. You are a brave man. I wouldt cross her.

Sorry to hear about your husband. My father died of eosophogus(SP) cancer in 1997. Ten years ago this coming Labor Day. There are three of us taking medication for acid reflux as a result of my father's death.
Again, I'm sorry for your loss. If there's anything you need do not hesitate to ask.

Here here for Mr. McKay! I am a reformed smoker, but I will NOT complain to someone else about their smoking. My older kids will smoke when they come over to the house and I will not tell them to not smoke in their home. They might have their own homes, but this is still HOME. I had to quit because of a heart attack but if I hadn't had it, I would be puffing on one right now. I really enjoyed a cigarette after I ate. I really think this is about a persons right instead of smoking. My husband died of cancer last year and the doctor told him that it was NOT cigarettes that caused it but acid reflux. He was a two and three pack person a day! What is different than say fifty years ago when everyone smoked? Maybe rolling your own????

My response was posted on Brian Beckett. It was directed for you.
Have a great weekend.
Here here for Mr. McKay! I am a reformed smoker, but I will NOT complain to someone else about their smoking. My older kids will smoke when they come over to the house and I will not tell them to not smoke in their home. They might have their own homes, but this is still HOME. I had to quit because of a heart attack but if I hadn't had it, I would be puffing on one right now. I really enjoyed a cigarette after I ate. I really think this is about a persons right instead of smoking. My husband died of cancer last year and the doctor told him that it was NOT cigarettes that caused it but acid reflux. He was a two and three pack person a day! What is different than say fifty years ago when everyone smoked? Maybe rolling your own????

[scjackson]

Thank you Mr. Mckay, I know where he is and he is waiting for me on the other side. The doctors gave him a year and we made each day count to the fullest and I have my memories.

[OldDog]

You breathe more harmful pollutants from motor vehicle exhaust than you breath from second hand smoke. So what is next, no driving my auto? Probably should not have said that becuase government will look at that next. http://www.pashweddings.com/weddingforums/images/smilies/scratchchin.gif
Has anyone noticed that since tax revenue from cigarettes has decreased over the years that smoking has become less popular with the government? Well there goes mye theory that they will ban driving. Too much tax dollars involved in the gas taxes.

My father has smoked since he was 20 years old. He is now 77 years old and still smokes. For MANY of those 57 years he smoked non-filter cigarettes. He is in VERY good health for someone that is of that age. Still works 40 hours a week, so he is doing pretty good if you ask me. The only health issue he has is keeping his cholesterol in check. His mother lived to be 96 and died of cancer. Did she smoke? Nope.

So I do not buy the second hand smoke argument, so don't even start that. This is about freedom of choice which the government wants to eliminate more and more of our options everyday.

[mark]

You breathe more harmful pollutants from motor vehicle exhaust than you breath from second hand smoke. So what is next, no driving my auto? Probably should not have said that becuase government will look at that next..

..........nah, post #17 of this thread will be next.

Here's what I said:

This is true. If you ban smoking, what's next??

I guess the "fat" police will be next...I can actually see them trying to get McDonalds to ban selling Bic Macs.

Then it's on to Wal Mart for staying open 24 hours a day.
That potentially cuts into my rest time.

What's after that??

Believe me......This stuff will never end.

Lookout McDonalds, you're next..............see ya mark

[kdown]

C.S. Lewis ( 1898-1963 ) said it best.......

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

[littlelee]

Wonderful quote, kdown. That says it all.

[Maxwells]

We all have choices be it good or bad..but they are ours..or are they...Not if we let eveyone tell us what we can and can't do..Personal Level..

[kdown]

About 79 out of a 100 say NO or Limited Ban. Wonder if the local officials are paying attention ?

[acoolmom777]

I would say they are watching...but it's not their 'poll' or the results they want

[firecracker]

I would say they are watching...but it's not their 'poll' or the resilts they want

Yes they are watching,,,correct,its not their poll. Results they want???
It shouldnt matter what they want, the commision is "or should be" a voice of the people. Pretty obvious if they dont listen have them replaced at next election.

[Unregistered]

You must remember that this poll isn't scientific or a reflection of the public's view. If that were the case, then Vic would be mayor.

[Chuck]

I allowed your post to help embarrass you. Normally I would delete arrogant comments from guest.

I am able to monitor polls these days and can validate 90% of the votes by IP. Since you choose to slap people in the face you might find some backbone and let people know who you are.

[Brian K Beckett]

Well I would say that this pole is Scientific and is a reflection of the publics view since we the public are the ones voting on it. I dont know about the Vic thing. But its like this it is much easier for people to vote on the BBS then to get off their lazy butt and do the real voting that counts. Too many people have lost interest in politics and political issues to care about what is going on.

[Abraham]

Well said Chuck and Brian

[mark]

You must remember that this poll isn't scientific or a reflection of the public's view. If that were the case, then Vic would be mayor.

.........I'm not sure about you, but, as I read the posts, they seem to parallel the poll results.

It may not suit your needs, but, I say it like I see it.......see ya mark

[Jeremy]

Well I would say that this pole is Scientific and is a reflection of the publics view since we the public are the ones voting on it. I dont know about the Vic thing. But its like this it is much easier for people to vote on the BBS then to get off their lazy butt and do the real voting that counts. Too many people have lost interest in politics and political issues to care about what is going on.

I think that's a key point. The tele-survey was only among registered voters. Not sure how many BBSers are registered voters, but that could account for the difference. The scientificness of polling involves weeding out opinions that don't matter, and then taking a cross-section of those that do. In other words, if you care about this issue (or any of the other issues where they only care about registered voter's opinions), register to vote so your opinion matters.

[Chuck]

It's like this. Let's same they throw it on this Novembers Ballot. How many people here would take the time to show up and vote on the issue? How many people will wish they had registered to vote at the last minute.

A smoking ban would pass because it was easier to vote at the BBS than it is to go to the polls. No matter how much you type at his site, No one will go to the polls to vote for your opinion or what you believe in as an American. You have to do that yourself.

Of coarse this thread being 6+ pages long, not many people will read that.

[ponto]

Good point Chuck, a six page thread is pretty long, but the best thing about the BBS is checking the new post each day.

By reading the threads on a daily basis, the entertainment and educational benefits are huge.

The BBS was even mentioned at the BS&SBTBR volunteers meeting Tuesday night at the college.

[Maxwells]

KooL..ooops...Cool...sorry that's the brand I smoke.

[acoolmom777]

KooL..ooops...Cool...sorry that's the brand I smoke.
....roflao...me too


Chuck...you are right all the way on that....

[Flame]

It's like this. Let's same they throw it on this Novembers Ballot. How many people here would take the time to show up and vote on the issue? How many people will wish they had registered to vote at the last minute.

A smoking ban would pass because it was easier to vote at the BBS than it is to go to the polls. No matter how much you type at his site, No one will go to the polls to vote for your opinion or what you believe in as an American. You have to do that yourself.

Of coarse this thread being 6+ pages long, not many people will read that.

I for one vote every time the polls are open and I can get there. Why? Because if I don't vote then I have no reason to fuss about what was on the ballot. Because in my opinion if you don't go to the polls and vote then shut up about how things are run because you are doing nothing to change it.

[bubbysgarage]

My thoughts exactly Flame.

[TheMan]

I need a cigarette....

[Maxwells]

Puff...Puff.....

[F_Farkell]

Maybe not a cig.....but an ice cold beer or three sounds good about now.
Man it's hot!!

[littlelee]

I for one vote every time the polls are open and I can get there. Why? Because if I don't vote then I have no reason to fuss about what was on the ballot. Because in my opinion if you don't go to the polls and vote then shut up about how things are run because you are doing nothing to change it.

Says "AMEN!!!" while smoking a cigarette.

[tgwen]

It's like this. Let's same they throw it on this Novembers Ballot. How many people here would take the time to show up and vote on the issue? How many people will wish they had registered to vote at the last minute.

A smoking ban would pass because it was easier to vote at the BBS than it is to go to the polls. No matter how much you type at his site, No one will go to the polls to vote for your opinion or what you believe in as an American. You have to do that yourself.

Of coarse this thread being 6+ pages long, not many people will read that.

I would definitely go out and vote on this issue if it came up on Novembers ballot. I voted against it when I lived in Ohio - but apparently more non-smokers showed up to vote. Although several people I spoke to after the vote in Ohio said the ballot was confusing, and they weren't sure what they were voting for/or against. They admitted they realized after the fact they had voted for the ban, although they didn't mean to. Now that I have moved to Kentucky - it upsets me that my rights could be limited here, too. It was not the reason I moved to Kentucky - but, it was nice to know I didn't have to worry how close I was to a public building's entrance when smoking over here. I have always tried to be respectful of non-smokers. I generally don't smoke in restaurants, or other public buildings - with the exception of bars/nightclubs. If I'm with non-smokers, I will refrain from smoking around them and generally excuse myself outside if I feel I need to smoke. I was always taught respect is a two way street. You have to give respect to get respect. I can respect non-smokers.. but where is the respect back?

[acoolmom777]

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/smoking/rauch27.gif


lol...sorry....but I thought it was a good pic....my money my health

[tgwen]

lol.. cute

And am I seeing things, or did the poll go from a majority of No votes to equal votes for Yes and No in the past several hours? What happened there?

[anb_swrk]

yeah i noticed that too.... hmmmm ?!?!?!

[tgwen]

Hopefully Chuck will check the IPs... thats really fishy.. now its majority Yes.

[sorebones]

What Happened ????? - THEY WILL take away OUR RIGHTS one at a time . Seemes like we have to do whatever the Big cities do , or what Ohio does , I think if you like big city living ,then move . I wonder ???? If everyone would line up and jump off the Bridge , Would You ????

[kdown]

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff until you smoke yourself to death.

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait,
But you just gotta have another cigarette.

[Chuck]

Looks like 115 flood votes. Guests just lost all privlages to vote.

[tgwen]

Thanks Chuck.

[TheMan]

Stains the Guest posting concept.. The majority of guests on here are respectful and fun to have around.. it's a shame that one or two idiots ruin it for the rest of them

[Jeremy]

This is why they do tele-surveys and talk to people one on one for important issues. The relative anonymity of online surveys swing both ways. Registered voters, non-registered voters, people in Mason County and those outside, they're all the same on the web. But when it comes to actually passing laws, only the registered voters in the actual location matter. Even Flemingsburg registered voters' opinion don't matter on this particular issue.

[Daphne]

If I am uderstanding the Chuckster correctly it means that Guests have lost their right to vote in polls. But they will still be able to make posts

[bubbysgarage]

I'm hoping they can still post cause some of them actually have good thoughts.

[Chuck]

Guest can still post. I just removed their ability to vote on polls. They can still post but only in some areas. I should just ban the IP range that flood voted.

I Honestly don't care one bit about the polls being the gospel or their accuracy to location. I don't expect them to set any world breaking presidents. They are simply for entertainment and to give people a topic to chat about.

I do care about their integrity,,, one vote per-person. I do plan to polish up the poll system to monitor IP's in the future. The integrity of the poll would give it credibility to the opinion of the people. That could give someone that cares a slight clue as to what or how the people feel.

I find it really sad that a simple poll could cause a person to go off the deep end and mass vote 100 time in one hour from their downtown ran company. (Yes Virginia I can trace IP's) I really want to tell people who it is.

[wmjsmallwood]

your the man chuck ,keep up ther good work ,,,and i am a smoker but i would have to vote to do away with it if it came down to it ,,,,i got kids!

[CarWashKY]

I refer you to my letter to the editor in this past weeks Ledger - Independent... regarding the smoking ban...

It's a Matter of Choice... If you don't like smoke, simply don't patronize the offending establishment... Plain and simple !

[Maxwells]

I agree...Choices we have have the RIGHT good or Bad...to smoke or not to smoke is the question

[bubbysgarage]

I choose to smoke and I chose last night to go to Cracker Barrel in Mt. Sterling because they still allow smoking rather than goin to Lexington who has banned smoking. I'm one who lights up when I get out of bed, when I get in my Jeep (before my seatbelt goes on if it even does) and when I'm done eating.

[TheMan]

I don't need to smoke in restaurants.. I don't need to smoke when i get up.. and believe it or not, my car will start without a cigarette in my hand.. Fact is, I choose to.. plain and simple.. I am a courteous smoker, and keep non-smoker's thoughts in mind. But if there are 5 restaurants within a block of each other... and only one is smoking, I'll go there.. Even if it's Chinese..

[kdown]

After all is said and done. It's a matter of manners and feelings for us smokers. I smoke a pipe. When we go to dinner I leave it in the car. No problem. When I go to my mother-in-laws home. I leave it in the car. When I visit Mom in the nursing home I leave it in the car. Course when I get to the car, lighting the pipe is the FIRST thing I do........LOL

[Maxwells]

I to smoke, when I go to my parents house who does not smoke, but did years ago. I have enough respect not to do it in their home. I will not smoke in anyones home that does not smoke...I will go outside

[kdown]

That's what I'm talking about

[anb_swrk]

The difference is those are PRIVATE home ... these are PUBLIC facilities (food, entertainment, etc)

[TheMan]

Food and entertainment places are not public.. The are privately owned and open to the public, if the choose to patronize.. Government buildings and the likes are public places...

[anb_swrk]

By private i meant not just anyone can go into the home.... in an establishment they are open to the public and therefore anyone is welcome.... smokers and nonsmokers alike. What these establishment choose to serve or allow should be up to that establishment. (Now TheMan - i know you could flip that and come up with some off the wall comment about what they allow therefore LEGALLY (ie smoking)). It should be the same for smoking, as mentioned numerous times there are smoke free facilities and there are smoking. So why not just leave it up to the establishment. Therefore everyone has a place they can go, smoke, not smoke, drink, not drink, cut up be loud, have a quiet dinner. To me that's just the logically solution. If you go into a facility that allows smoking you no ahead of time and really have no room to complain.

It goes beyond eating ---> bowling, bingo, Lions Clubs, Lodges, off track betting, etc. There are a lot more places that would be hurt business wise than helped.

[TheMan]

What's this about off the wall comments.. I haven't started that here yet... I'm simply stating the fact that the only public places are places where people in general haven't the choice to go or not go.. Therefore restaurants, bars, shopping malls, etc... are private that allows the public to enter..

[Chuck]

The current standard is fine. Let the owner choose his or her smoking preferences for their investment in business. This is not a communist Country,,, yet.

If an area or a state bans smoking they should not allow the sale tobacco products. It is odd that smokers pay the most in taxes yet have the least say of where they can smoke.

[ponto]

OK, I have an idea: ban concealed cigarettes.

The ones people put in their pockets and "sneak" into public places with.

Search dogs and cigarette detectors would be placed at the entrance to public areas.

Lighters would be confiscated too. How many times have you been asked if you have a light?

Federal, State and Local Government employees and paid contractors could be trained to spot potential smokers by their profile.

We could use surveillance cameras to spot them as they get out of their cars in public parking lots. Say........oh.........50 feet of any public building.

Once we have all this in place, you would only have to arrive 1.6 hours ahead of your scheduled appointment time to make sure you get through security and get to where you are going on time. And after you arrive, there can be cigarette marshals seated near you, to make sure no one lights up.

Now this will keep the friendly skies,.........friendly and smoke free.

[anb_swrk]

Too funny Ponto. Ohio has gone so far that trucker driver, cab drivers, mail carriers, lawn care services (tractors, lawn mowers) can not be smoked in. My dad works at the University of Dayton and they has to put little no smoking stickers on all their trucks and equipmnet that someone from the community might be able to ride in or on. I think this stuff has gone too far... I pray that Maysville does not get this anal retintive on smoking!

[emtfireman1]

It is hard for me to believe that someone would actually move because there are people in our town (that have a right) that smoke. LOL!! There are things im sure you do that others dont, but that is your business so we stay out of it. My decision is to smoke. You have no right to tell me me that I cant smoke in public, on the other hand inside closed areas may be a different story, which is understandable. Grow up, and if it takes someone like you to move then that would make our city a better place!! One more thing, If you believe that people are not moving to Maysville because of a smoking ban then you are really off your rocker, thats funny. But opinions are like a**hole*, everyone has one. People are moving away from here because there are so many low paying jobs, people are moving away to find higher paying jobs. But we are getting better. Maysville is an excellent place to live due to our police dept. to our city officials to our commisioners which do an EXCELLENT job, keep up the good work.

A satisfied and proud citizen of Maysville.
God Bless.

[Abraham]

Just returned from Ky. State Fair in Louisville...no smoking practically everywhere. What really ticked me off was that at Kentucky Kingdom Amusement Park, they have designated smoking areas (which are few & far between) and signs posted everywhere, no smoking because it is a family oriented theme park...yet there were people walking around drinking beer everywhere in the park. Am I missing something? I would much rather see someone smoking a cigarette than someone walking around drinking beer at this family oriented theme park.

[Rebelyell]

What these establishment choose to serve or allow should be up to that establishment. (Now TheMan - i know you could flip that and come up with some off the wall comment about what they allow therefore LEGALLY (ie smoking)). It should be the same for smoking, as mentioned numerous times there are smoke free facilities and there are smoking. So why not just leave it up to the establishment.
Therefore everyone has a place they can go, smoke, not smoke, drink, not drink, cut up be loud, have a quiet dinner. To me that's just the logically solution. If you go into a facility that allows smoking you no ahead of time and really have no room to complain.

It goes beyond eating ---> bowling, bingo, Lions Clubs, Lodges, off track betting, etc. There are a lot more places that would be hurt business wise than helped.
There is certainly a great deal of logic behind your viewpoint, but you forget the employees working in these restaurants who are being forced to work in a dangerous working environment because of all the second-hand smoke. It is a matter of public policy in this country that we don't have jobs that are open to smokers only, or jobs that are open only to those who are willing to sacrifice their future health now for a few desperately needed dollars to feed their family now.

Perhaps if these businesses could create some little rooms where patrons could go to smoke where innocent employees wouldn't have to be exposed to toxic fumes it would be another matter. But when it comes to employee safety, the employees don't get a choice, the employers don't get a choice. They must be provided a smoke-free environment as a matter of employee safety.

Just returned from Ky. State Fair in Louisville...no smoking practically everywhere. What really ticked me off was that at Kentucky Kingdom Amusement Park, they have designated smoking areas (which are few & far between) and signs posted everywhere, no smoking because it is a family oriented theme park...yet there were people walking around drinking beer everywhere in the park. Am I missing something? I would much rather see someone smoking a cigarette than someone walking around drinking beer at this family oriented theme park.

Well, the difference is that the person who drinks a beer next to you won't give you cancer or lung disease.

[anb_swrk]

The business that i mention in the post were those where typically people working there would know the type environment in which they are working. Numerous resturants in maysville are smoke free (Applebees, Bob Evans Subway... etc). I was simply saying this ban would make a greate