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Chuck
April 16th, 2007, 04:57 PM
BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, in a classroom across campus Monday, killing at least 30 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, government officials told The Associated Press. The gunman was killed, bringing the death toll to 31.

Students complained that the university did not warn them about the first deadly burst of gunfire until hours later.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."

It was not immediately clear whether the gunman was shot by police or took his own life. Investigators offered no motive for the attack. The gunman's name was not immediately released, and it was not known if he was a student.

The shootings spread panic and confusion on campus. Witnesses reporting students jumping out the windows of a classroom building to escape the gunfire. SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. Students and faculty members carried out some of the wounded themselves, without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

The massacre took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing at least two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building about a half-mile away, authorities said.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm when they got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time, two hours after the bloodshed began.

"What happened today this was ridiculous," student Jason Piatt told CNN. He said the first warning from the university of a shooting on campus came in an e-mail about two hours after the first deadly burst of gunfire. "While they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed," Piatt said.

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko in Washington said there was no evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, "but all avenues will be explored."

Government officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they did not want to pre-empt an announcement by higher-ranking authorities, put the death toll at 31.

At least 26 people were being treated at three area hospitals for gunshot wounds and other injuries, authorities said. Their exact conditions were not disclosed, but at least one was sent to a trauma center and six were in surgery, authorities said.

Up until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

The massacre Monday took place almost eight years to the day after the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. On April 20, 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse Hokies football team.

The rampage took place on a brisk spring day, with snow flurries swirling around the campus. The campus is centered around the Drill Field, a grassy field where military cadets — who now represent a fraction of the student body — once practiced. The dorm and the classroom building are on opposites sides of the Drill Field.

A gasp could be heard at a campus news conference when Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum said at least 20 people had been killed. Previously, only one person was thought to have been killed.

Investigators from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began marking and recovering the large number of shell casings and will trace the weapon used, authorities said.

A White House spokesman said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia.

"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed, and classes were canceled through Tuesday. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children. It also made counselors available and planned an assembly for Tuesday at the basketball arena.

After the shooting began, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks by authorities but said they have not determined a link to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting)

Maxwells
April 16th, 2007, 06:41 PM
This is a terrible senseless tragedy!!!!!! I can't understand why it took so long in between shootings before anything was done or the gunman was apprehended, and why there wasn't a lock down. So many questions? So many lives lost. Terrible just Terrible.

Flame
April 16th, 2007, 07:33 PM
When I first read this early this morning it was the one person shot in the dorm and I thought I read they had told students to stay in their rooms and that they had shut down the campus. I thought I read where they had done this earlier in the school year due to an escaped convict on the run and had killed somone.

snowtiger
April 16th, 2007, 10:38 PM
This is horrible and I cannot believe that they DID NOT cancel classes after the first shooting. I emailed Morehead and asked them what our policy on such an emergency is, just to see if we even have any. I bet Virg. Tech. are going to get theirselves sued over this and they should be held accountable for those second shootings!!!

mark
April 16th, 2007, 11:51 PM
.............tragic indeed.
Wonder would have happened if the gunman actually found his girlfriend??

Hmmm, ...I see a real interest in CCW classes in that area now..............see ya mark

Amandaann
April 17th, 2007, 12:42 AM
This is so sad. I feel so bad for the families of the victims and and those who will have nightmares for many years to come. My prayers are with all those involved.

Chuck
April 17th, 2007, 07:46 AM
Tragic indeed. Media is already blaming everything but the man that pulled the trigger. They don't know who the gunman is yet they believe he had a fight with his girlfriend.

snowtiger
April 17th, 2007, 07:54 AM
Don't get me wrong, I do blame the gunman, but the officials at the school did NOT handle that well at all and it is their job to try to take care of their students, why else do we pay for campus police? I "blame" them for not cancelling classes after the first shooting, that was a BAD call!! AN EMAIL to students?!?!?!? For nontraditional students, like me and my mother, it takes an hour to get to school and I'm sure a campus that big has nontraditional students also. There's no way they could have checked their emails and do you know how often the campus email system breaks down (at least Morehead's anyway?? I have a problem with the way campus's get in touch with their students, when there is emergencies (of any kind going on)

DecupldSolutions
April 17th, 2007, 03:43 PM
.............tragic indeed.
Wonder would have happened if the gunman actually found his girlfriend??

Hmmm, ...I see a real interest in CCW classes in that area now..............see ya mark

CCW or not, it is against school policy or completely illegal to posses a firearm on most college campuses or any school for that matter. Or any public or private place that posts a no weapons sign.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/xp-21770

This article states that a permit holder may legally carry, but it's a crapshoot whether or not you get in trouble for it.

This is a difficult subject. I trust myself with a CCW. But there are people with ccw permits that are worriesome with a firearm. Wich creates a circle. If they have a gun, well, I'm getting one. And now have one. Or is it two? But to carry it would be a whole new world of hurt. Who is "qualified" to carry anywhere, in a school? (shame this is necessary), or in a shopping mall? Who's to say a potential gun man is qualified to CCW one day and flips out tomorrow and takes out another 30 people?

There was a quote on one of the blogs yesterday from a VT official around January 2006 stating that the campus is safer with strict enforcement of gun control and will be safer into the future. Or something like that. Would love to find that quote again, but no time.

Guess we'll have to try it.

And people stop pointing fingers and blaming. We were not there. A college campus can not be shut down. You have to be there to understand. You can't blame the gun. The administration or the students. Just a wacko with a couple hand cannons. Anyone with bad intentions is going to have some degree of success before they are stopped. In a situation like that, you can not be afraid to approach the perp, disarm him or worse in order to secure your own safety. Sometimes it takes 4 or 5 unarmed men to subdue a shooter, with serious risk to life and limb - but it can be done. Just get there fast and hard. Gotta be willing to take a round or two, at peace with death.

Enjoy it while you have it. It is short and precious. Life...

...an incurable sexually transmitted disease that ends in death....

tkcomer
April 17th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Well for one thing, this is not the largest school massacre in history. That was done years ago and the guy didn't even use a gun. You can read it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster I keep hearing about no one could have a CCW. But remember, most students are under 21, so that point is moot. Even if that particular teacher had a gun, the gunman probably walked in and had the drop on them. No person would risk a shoot out with that many students involved. It's easy to guess what should have been done after the fact. The fact is, in a free society, you can't prevent a deranged person form doing this. No way, no how. Not even in a police state. You can't pass enough laws to prevent a determined person. All that does is make life rough for the rest of the law abiding nation. This is tragic. But all blame should be directed at the shooter himself. Not second guessing what should have been done.