Amy Baker is the focus of Maysville, Ky., police.

[Chuck]

MAYSVILLE, Ky. — Although she escaped criminal charges in Ohio, the live-in girlfriend of convicted killers Liz and David Carroll Jr. may not be as lucky across the river.

Law enforcement officials in Maysville, Ky., have begun to investigate Amy Baker, the prosecution's star witness against the Carrolls.

Kentucky officials said they are pursuing charges of tampering with evidence and gross abuse of a corpse for Baker's role in the disposal of Fiesel's remains last August.

About two weeks ago, Detective Ken Fuller of the Maysville Police Department contacted prosecutors in Hamilton and Clermont counties to request transcripts from Liz Carroll's murder trial and grand jury statements made by Baker and Carroll. Fuller said his department paid about $600 for the documents.

Once Fuller is finished with his investigation he will turn it over to Mason County Prosecutor John Estill, who will decide whether to charge Baker, Fuller said.

Prosecutors in Hamilton and Clermont counties granted immunity to Baker in exchange for her testimony, during which she admitted to showing David Carroll the spot in Brown County — located on land near where her father still lives — to burn Marcus' body. The 25-year-old also said she drove the white GMC Envoy across the bridge into Maysville, Ky., while David Carroll threw what was left of the remains out the window and into the Ohio River. The pair also threw their shoes out the window in Brown County, she testified.

Liz Carroll is serving a 54-year sentence in the Ohio Reformatory for Women, while her husband received a 16-year to life sentence in a plea deal.

Her immunity has sparked anger throughout the region, and is helping to drive the case in Kentucky, Fuller said.

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said Wednesday that Baker's actions last August "conceivably put her up for charges in Kentucky."

"We're not instigating it (the investigation in Kentucky)," Deters said. "But I can't stop what other prosecutors or jurisdictions do. So there's no breaking of any deals."

Baker said during the Liz Carroll trial in February that she would regain custody of her children — who were taken away in late August — if she found a job and received her GED.

Deters said he doubted that would happen, especially if Estill pursues criminal charges.

"She's probably going to lose her kids from this," he said.

Source (http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/04/05/mj040507baker.html)

[mark]

.............waste of time & taxpayers money.

Let our court system prosecute our criminals..........see ya mark

[Flame]

She was deep in the murder of an innocent child and should not walk free. She is one of our criminals since she committed a crime in Maysville. She knew the remains of this child was being tossed into the river to cover up the crime.

[MSE boss]

they can waste my tax $ on this one anyday she has to be tried for something

[KELTYSBOY]

If she indeed violated the law in Mason County then she is OURS to prosecute.
.............waste of time & taxpayers money.

Let our court system prosecute our criminals..........see ya mark

[Chuck]

I look at it from a business stand point. It is a budgeting issue. Every penny we spend on outside issues takes away money to resolve our local issues.

We are short monies to prosecute our own criminals without having to go out of state to collect more.

Doesn't matter how I feel because local law enforcement is required to respond and react to any and all crimes within their venue.

[TheMan]

Pretty sure they will be all misdemeanor charges... might stretch a D Felony out of it but i doubt it.

I don't like the idea of pick up Ohio's screw ups. They didn't have to give her full immunity. She would have taken a deal for a lesser charge.

[kybikertrash]

I saw Joe Deters on the tube last night and he said that the deal with her was "if she was honest with them and if she didn't harm Marcus or his body, they would not press charges." But in her testimony during the trial she said she helped burn his body and dispose of it, so doesn't that void the deal. Joe Deters even gave the impression that she didn't tell them (Ohio) how involved she was in disposing of his body. He implied that there were details she told during the trial that she did not tell them initially.

[KELTYSBOY]

They had a solid case. I agree she would have accepted a deal. Good ole Joe Deters. Offering full immunity and then hearing of her involvement had to be a somewhat embarrassing.
If Mr. Deters really cared and wanted to make a statement then he would haul her behind back into court and tell her since she did not live up to her end of the bargain all bets were off.
What she did to that little boy should not have been rewarded with a get out jail free card.

[tkcomer]

I have mixed feelings on this. What she was involved in was horrendous. And she should be burned at the stake. But then, THEY gave her immunity from prosecution. They said, with out her help, they would still be looking for what happened. Granting immunity is a dirty business. A lot of times, the guilty go free to put together the full puzzle and to solve the case. Don't like it, but it does work. That said, how could any prosecutor be able to offer immunity for testimony if every town, township, county, state, etc that's not involved with the case, steps in if they don't like what is going on? Seems like it would undermine the whole “immunity” process. So you think Baker would have coughed up any information if she knew prosecutors elsewhere where laying in wait to nab her after the trial was over? I don't think so. And then, where would that leave us? Still looking. I don't like it at all, but Baker helped to get the main ones. The ones that took this poor child in only to make money. Not care for it. Or at least give him back when they couldn't. They abused this child so the money would keep coming in. They should never see the outside of a prison. This stinks to high heaven. But if one jurisdiction offers immunity to someone, the rest should respect that. Or the next thing you know, no one will talk. And that will have far greater ramifications than letting Baker walk.

[TheMan]

Immunity is only good in the jurisdiction the crime was committed in. Outside that? All bets are off.

[amber_nathan15]

She should have to sit in jail just as long as the other two. She was just as involved in it. They killed an innocent child. I have 3 little boys around that age, and it makes me so mad that someone that had something to do with killing a 3 year old can walk away with no charges.

[shirele]

Hang The woman

[Maxwells]

What she did was horendous! She should be put away for a very long time, or even the death penalty. This poor child. I don't care about the money issues, just justice!

[PoliticallyConfused]

Any punishment that she may get will not be good enough. She got lucky. I think that Mr. Deters gave in too easily, he must of had SUCKER written on his forehead.

[Foxy]

I hope that the out cry from the Maysville/Mason county people helped the prosecutors see that this is a good decision to get her in Kentucky. She should most definitely pay for her involvement! Heck if I were driving a friend to buy drugs, whether I knew what they were doing or not, I would be an accessory and go to jail. So it would seem right that if she helped and knew anything about this, than she too is guilty by association.

I would love to know who voted NO and I DON'T CARE in the poll here.... hmmm ... wonder if they would care if it were their child??

[mark]

.............waste of time & taxpayers money.

Let our court system prosecute our criminals..........see ya mark

I still stand by my response.

Baker would only get a few months jail time at most since I don't see a felony here. I agree it's a horrible crime but as usual, I always mention right here on this ol' website this statement often:

Follow the money trail.

This one will probably be a waste of time and especially the $$ for the punishment involved.........see ya mark

[Foxy]

Some punishment is better than beig let go free!!

[whodey9]

Deters took an idiot pill when he gave in like that to Baker. Someone test this guy for illegal use of an idiot pill.

[Maxwells]

I hope that the out cry from the Maysville/Mason county people helped the prosecutors see that this is a good decision to get her in Kentucky. She should most definitely pay for her involvement! Heck if I were driving a friend to buy drugs, whether I knew what they were doing or not, I would be an accessory and go to jail. So it would seem right that if she helped and knew anything about this, than she too is guilty by association.

I would love to know who voted NO and I DON'T CARE in the poll here.... hmmm ... wonder if they would care if it were their child??

:attention: Foxy I totally agree with you. She should pay for what involvement she had in this. GEEZ what is this world coming to.:mad:

[Chuck]

I would love to know who voted NO and I DON'T CARE in the poll here.... hmmm ... wonder if they would care if it were their child??

One of the "NO" votes is from me. Yes I would feel the same if it was my child. I look at the totality of the crime without basing my choice on emotion.

Yes she should have been charge,,, in Ohio. She should be in jail for a life sentence not 90 days with time served. The charges she faces here in Mason County are so minimal that the fines from the charges she faces would come close to the expense of the cost to prosecute her.

It's a no brainer to me. We cannot replace or fix what should have been done.

[KELTYSBOY]

I still don't get it. When did the expense of prosecuting someone who violated the law become an issue? If she did something wrong, and obviously she did, then by all means, file the charges and lets end this once and for all.
What about federal charges? Can't they be called in for violating the child's civil rights? Just curious.

[Chuck]

I still don't get it. When did the expense of prosecuting someone who violated the law become an issue? If she did something wrong, and obviously she did, then by all means, file the charges and lets end this once and for all.
What about federal charges? Can't they be called in for violating the child's civil rights? Just curious.


She won't be charged with anything substantial like murder in Ky. Other then holding time she may not see much jail time at all for her crimes.

This will not end it once and for all. People are wanting blood for a crime that may only be a fine. No one will be satisfied with her sentence and they will laugh and say Ky. didn't do any better with her.

Like it or not she is still going to "skate" for a crime that should have got her life in da pen.

[TheMan]

If charges are filed, all she'd have to do is stay out of Kentucky and she'd never face the charges.

I was a no vote also. I can't see where Kentucky should wipe up after Ohio's mess. The crimes she is guilty of are Misdemeanors, if she does show up for the charges after the fines and suspended sentences, she could more than pay for it with the book deal she'll be getting.

Thinking with our hearts will get us in trouble in this case.

[drago]

I also voted no. I think its just a waste of time and the only reason they are even thinking of doing it is because of everyone crying about it. Its no longer about justice its now about trying to make the people happy.

[tandy]

Yes she should face charges. If not there then here. She was wrong and she knew it.

[Amandaann]

I don't want to sound harsh (I know this will be erased, but) All who were involved sould suffer the same way Marcus did.

Not everyone in this world have been blessed with children. I am one of those. I would have loved to take Marcus off of their hands and they could have kept the money they were getting. It is not fair to those of us in my situation.

[KELTYSBOY]

By not taking action sends a message to every would be criminal that it's OK to take part in a murder then merely take them to the middle of a Mason County Kentucky bridge and drop the body over the side. At least that what I'm getting from those who are opposed in going after Baker.
We can debate this until the cows come home but it's really simple. Go after her, regardless of the charges. Justice should be swift. It should be the maximum allowed by law.
We're talking about a child here folks. Never had a chance from the time Ohio officials placed him in their care. Mason County should proceed full steam. Not for the headlines but for Marcus.

[TheMan]

What if Marcus was 30? Would we still feel the same?

[KELTYSBOY]

Unfortunately Marcus will never reach that age, will he? Doesn't and shouldn't matter wether they're 3 or 30. I believe it's not OK to dismiss the fact that Amy Baker participated in disposing of another human being without being held accountable.

[TheMan]

The act of body disposal started in Ohio. Not in Kentucky. Brown county didn't give her immunity, so why isn't every one up their butt to bury her under the jail? Fact is... Ohio screwed up, now they are reaching.. yes reaching to Kentucky to makes things halfway right. Should she be charged? Heck yes... but at what expense? Even when she is charged they will all be misdemeanors and all she has to do to avoid justice is to stay out of Kentucky.

And if Ohio is so keen on seeking justice for little Marcus, why did they charge the Maysville Police Department nearly 400 dollars for the transcript? I'm sorry, I'm not into cleaning up other peoples messes.. Heck I do it every day I work. It gets old..

[mark]

The charges she faces here in Mason County are so minimal that the fines from the charges she faces would come close to the expense of the cost to prosecute her.


This is the exact reason why I stand behind my original comment.
Chuck ............you & I are in total agreement.

Spend our own money prosecuting our criminals. When Mason Co. runs out of criminals, then we can go get her.

We do have plenty of crimes & criminals around here don't we?? ..........see ya mark

[Amandaann]

We have crimes but they are too busy not doing anything to care. If they don't go after Amy then go after the drug dealers. Oh but that is impossible. This is not a personal attack on our nacartics officer Which I know personally, but maybe they should spend tax payers money gettinge the drug dealers out of town. I know they are not doing their job there.


Mark, what is our plenty of crimes and criminals here???
Just wondering. I know we have the occasional robbery What else is there besides drugs and drunkeness?

[shydoo2001]

I believe that she should be charged in ky. Why can't Ky. prosecute her for the gross neglegence of a corpse, disposing of a body, planning and acting on the disposal of the body? It seems to me that it would be a planned out act. And apparently she had something to do in this planning. I believe there is no punishment that will ever be enough for these people.
I almost hate to admit this but when Susan Smith started that panic about her children the whole world cried for her. When I found out that she had killed her children I thought the only punishment good enough for her was to strap her in the backseat of a car and push her in the lake. Let her sink and let her get to that point where she is almost gone and then jerk her out and bring her back. The whole time let her look at that video of her children that we all watched and cried over. Hearing those sweet innocent voices. Do that once a week for the rest of life. It may sound mean but these ARE BLESSINGS AND MIRACLES PEOPLE. We all love and protect our children, but there are those few who don't care. We need to wake up and realize that this world is not getting any safer and our children are not always as safe as we would like them to be. Life is precious whether you are old or young, I would like to think that we as human beings believe all life is precious. Especially those children with special needs. So I agree with bringing her over here let's do what we can to let these people know that a crime is a crime whether it's against a child, a woman, a man, it doesn't matter we will prosecute. Send the message that we don't give in to a criminals wants or needs.

[TheMan]

Again..... getting her over here will be the issue...

[Flame]

Let me ask a question? If this was your child, brother or any other family member would you want ALL persons involved in any way to pay? In order for Maysville to be able to prosecute she would have had to commit a crime in the city and if she did isn't that the job of our prosecutor to prosecute criminals? Furthermore, if she shouldn't be prosecuted for a crime committed in Maysville does that mean those of you that don't want her to be prosecuted think it would be ok for me to come to your city and commit a crime and not be arrested? Hey I don't live there I wouldn't be your criminal. Maybe the guy that shot those two men in Maysville that was from Wallingford shouldn't face charges he isn't your criminal he is Fleming County's. What I'm saying is Maysville would be prosecuting her for the crime she committed inside Maysville and if I'm not mistaken acting like it didn't happen and saying she isn't our criminal is not upholding the law they took office and an oath saying they would do.

[mark]

Mark, what is our plenty of crimes and criminals here???
Just wondering. I know we have the occasional robbery What else is there besides drugs and drunkeness?

There are other crimes besides drunks, drugs & domestics. We don't have the "big-time" crimes ( Thank God for that ).......if it isn't so, why are the court cases being added to the docket months later??

I still say spend our money right here, there is plenty of crime here to deal with..........see ya mark

[tandy]

There are other crimes besides drunks, drugs & domestics. We don't have the "big-time" crimes ( Thank God for that ).......if it isn't so, why are the court cases being added to the docket months later??

I still say spend our money right here, there is plenty of crime here to deal with..........see ya mark

That is just it mark, What? did you read my first post in this matter? I feel just as strongly as you do. I feel she and all others should suffer the same as the innocent child did. There was no reason for them to do that. They could have left him with a relative or givin him back to the state. Do you have kids? I don't but I work with children daily. I couldn't imagine this happening to any of the 600 or so that I work with.


Sorry I am under my husbands' name. It is Amandaann

[TheMan]

Mr.Doyle is not a Maysville criminal.. he's a Mason County criminal.. But that point is moot.. All I have said from the very beginning is that no matter what you want out of the charges.. all your getting is minor offenses by Kentucky State Law. As horrible as the act was, we can not make up laws to fit the crime that occurred in Kentucky. Heck, if she doesn't want to face the charges all she has to do is stay out of Kentucky.. How hard would that be?

I never once said she shouldn't pay for her crimes. I have said all along that inadequacy on another state's part should not constitute an emergency on our part. No one is acting like it didn't happen, no one has said that she shouldn't be punished. The offending minority here, I believe, is more fed up with taking up the slack were an inept prosecutor left off. And becoming the villains in this case the whole time.

The what ifs.. If wasn't my child, it wasn't a member of my family, it was not anyone I knew or know. Therefore that argument is also moot.

[Chuck]

I never said she should pay for her crimes. Maysville charges are all just minor and she really won't pay for the crime here.

If you want a pound of flesh and a pint of blood for this crime you need to get her charge in Brown County. Where the serious crime were committed.

[Flame]

I really don't care where she is prosecuted as long as it happens. No matter how minor the offense may be here the message needs to be sent that everyone can't dump dead bodies off this bridge and get by with it. She needs to know no matter how minor she did not get off scott free. If Brown County can get her fine let them.

No it wasn't a family member of yours and maybe that is the reason it doesn't mean as much.

[TheMan]

All I am saying is making a point of 'what if' is trying to get someone emotionally involved in a topic that emotions has no place. To say that it doesn't me as much to mean is also assuming that the case has no emotional effect on me. I can't see where anyone can judge me like that. I have stated my opinions clearly as to what should be done. Not how I feel. I would like to see more of the same.

The Salem witch hunts were emotionally charged, and you seen what happened during that black eye of our history. No this is not a witch hunt. But that period in our history is one of the main reasons our laws are based on facts and not emotions.

[Foxy]

I can see your point The Man, and yes it is valid. I don't want to see her prosecuted here for emotional reasons, however, I want to see her prosecuted because she broke the law, regardless. She did it in Mason County,so therefore Mason County Prosecutors should pursue this, forget the fact that the Brown County was lacking in their prosecution of her.
For me it is like I was speeding in Paris, KY., though I live here in Maysville, so should I pay Mason County courts my fine? Or Bourbon County? Since my offense was in Bourbon County, obviously I was ordered to pay my fine there. I am sure that some would argue that it really was not worth fining me for going 6 miles over the speed limit. However minor I think it was I WAS speeding.... there fore I got a ticket.
Regardless of how minor the actual charge, or what happened in Ohio, she WAS aiding in a crime, and she needs to answer for that.
Does this make sense?

[Flame]

I can see your point The Man, and yes it is valid. I don't want to see her prosecuted here for emotional reasons, however, I want to see her prosecuted because she broke the law, regardless. She did it in Mason County,so therefore Mason County Prosecutors should pursue this, forget the fact that the Brown County was lacking in their prosecution of her.
For me it is like I was speeding in Paris, KY., though I live here in Maysville, so should I pay Mason County courts my fine? Or Bourbon County? Since my offense was in Bourbon County, obviously I was ordered to pay my fine there. I am sure that some would argue that it really was not worth fining me for going 6 miles over the speed limit. However minor I think it was I WAS speeding.... there fore I got a ticket.
Regardless of how minor the actual charge, or what happened in Ohio, she WAS aiding in a crime, and she needs to answer for that.
Does this make sense?


I agree Foxy. No matter how minor this offense will be she needs to pay. Yes it will be hard to do if she stays out of KY but at least if they press charges it doesn't look as if people can go to Maysville and commit crimes without fear of prosecution. As you said it would almost be like if I was speeding in Maysville and I say to the police officer hey it's only a minor offense and I don't live in your town look for your criminals. Not gonna work is it? I will agree totally that Ohio should never have given her immunity but hindsight is 20/20 and they did. If Brown Co can get her and the offense is greater go for it, and yes she will never get what I think she should nor did the Carrolls. For such crimes I'm all for public hangings.

[mark]

That is just it mark, What? did you read my first post in this matter? I feel just as strongly as you do. I feel she and all others should suffer the same as the innocent child did. There was no reason for them to do that. They could have left him with a relative or givin him back to the state. Do you have kids? I don't but I work with children daily. I couldn't imagine this happening to any of the 600 or so that I work with.


Sorry I am under my husbands' name. It is Amandaann

Yes, I do have kids.

I'm saying she should be prosecuted, but just not here. She probably would get small jail time if at all. Deters needs to be more active in this one, not the little ol' city of Maysville. I realize that Maysville & our court system has an unlimited check book writing capabilities, but the cost isn't worth the return, despite the emotions I'm reading here.

If you have been here very long & read any of my posts in the past.......I drive others here crazy with constantly mentioning following the money trail for answers ( especially in politics--another subject for another day ) & this one isn't worth the $1000.00's that would be spent for a few months in jail.......IF.......that would even happen at all.........see ya mark

[Maxwells]

I just want to see her prosecuted, I don't care WHERE. I agree with a lot of comments on here, she should be prosecuted in Maysville for the crime she commented, but if they can't do it here, I hope they do it some where and she gets he fulliest extent of punishment! I don't care what it cost either, money has been wasted on less petty stuff. (Opinion Only)

[whodey9]

No he had IDIOT on his forehead.

[Amandaann]

Yes, I do have kids.

I'm saying she should be prosecuted, but just not here. She probably would get small jail time if at all. Deters needs to be more active in this one, not the little ol' city of Maysville. I realize that Maysville & our court system has an unlimited check book writing capabilities, but the cost isn't worth the return, despite the emotions I'm reading here.

If you have been here very long & read any of my posts in the past.......I drive others here crazy with constantly mentioning following the money trail for answers ( especially in politics--another subject for another day ) & this one isn't worth the $1000.00's that would be spent for a few months in jail.......IF.......that would even happen at all.........see ya mark

I still feel that we should. Ohio was too worried about what happened( in detail) and offered full immunity too soon. They should have waited a little longer and question them more until someone broke without full immunity. She was an just as involed as those who did the actual crime. Ohio was wrong and Kentucky get to starighten things out.

Although she has small chargers here they are still punishable by jail time. She should have to spend sometime there she was wrong just as the other two.
However I am not judging her just stating my opinion. It is not for me to judge. It is GOD. I'm positive he will make those pay who are responsible.

[Sofa King]

I'm all for vigilantly justice~

[PoliticallyConfused]

Which way did she go George. :)