Poll for Circuit Court Judge

[Chuck]

This poll is for Circuit Court Judge.

Place your vote and state why you would like to see this person as Circuit Court Judge.

No commenting on another persons opinion and no bad talk about another candidate. (<-Added)

More polls to come as this week goes on.

Take our other Elections Polls - Click Here (http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4).

[roadrunner]

I think Judge McNeil is fair and honest. Roadrunner

[bostonbaby]

I think Judge McNeil is fair, yet stern. He isn't one of those slap the bad guy on the wrist and let them go judges.

[THeflin]

I think that based on his experience as the Commonwealth Attorney and his many hours in the court room he is the best choice for Circuit Judge. He is also very conscenious and has the temperment of an experienced judge. McNeil is a little hot headed!!!!

[THeflin]

Go Stockton!!!!!!

[stork]

I chose Stockton Wood because I think he has better judgement than Judge McNeil. McNeil tried to send a convicted drug dealer to the Boy's Club as a basketball coach for community service. That is about the stupidest ruling I have ever heard of. I thought the Boys and Girls club served as a place to protect kids from bad influences and Judge McNeil was sending a convicted drug dealer to be the childrens role model.

[mhunter3535]

Go Judge Johnny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[mhunter3535]

Vote John McNeill for Circuit Judge....there WILLl be justice for ALL and not just some...........he was thought of as the best man to fulfil Robert I Gallenstein's term and be elected to serve as your Circuit Judge for the past 4years, lets keep the best choice in our justice system.

[canaco]

I voted Stockton, Reason was McNeil's decision to apoint a drug dealer/sex offender to community service at the Boys Club instead of jail. It was one of them boys that was involved in the shooting a couple a weeks back.

[salliem]

Judge John McNeill cares passionately about the job, the people, and the problems that come to the Circuit Court. He has done an excellent job the past 4 years. We need to keep him working for all of us.

[mouse]

Stockton Wood all the way!!!!!! In talking to him, he has the people's interest at heart not whatever is best for his political career. I''ll vote for him and I will try to get as many people as I can to do the same!!!!! May he do what's best for everyone! Stockton for Circuit Court Judge!

[Applejack]

I have known McNeill for many years. When he was practicing law, he never overcharged his clients and he was careful to tell us when we were right or wrong. He has been exactly the same way since he was judge. He calls it the way he sees it, but, according to our lawyer, follows the law. I have heard, but don't know for certain, that he has never been reversed by the higher courts on a criminal decision.:)

[River Rat]

Judge McNeill was a director at the Boys and Girls Club for almost thirty years. He headed the committee that raise the money to buy the new site and build the new club. There's no way he would have intentionally sent a drug dealer to coach children there. If we're counting mistakes, maybe we should talke about plea bargaining a sex predator in fleming county off with "disorderly conduct."

[bikerwannabe]

I feel Stockton Wood is the best person for the job. He is fair and honest and for the community not just the rich or just what he thinks is right. He looks at all aspects and does things fairly. I agree with mouse a 100%. Good luck Stockton and I hope you win.

[bettymc]

Go Stockton !! Go GO, you are the Man for the job !!!!

[Juris Prudence]

The things I'm about to relate are on the record and may be verified by looking at videotapes of the circuit court proceedings.
1. John McNeill did tell William "GG" Lofton to go to the Boys' and Girls' Club to teach young people how to play basketball. Lofton was granted probation by McNeill at the same time and found himself in court again in June 2005 on new criminal charges. Lofton did not help at the Boys' and Girls' Club because felons are not allowed to work there.
2. A young girl was sexually abused by her mother's boyfriend in Lexington. When the father found out (11 months after it happened) he took action. The mother allowed the man to stay in the home that long after her daughter had told her of the violation. The mother's reaction was to have this child face her abuser and when she backed down mom's advice was to stay in her bedroom and lock the door when mommy was at work. No one disputed the abuse had happened and three experts testified the girl had made improvement since her father and stepmother had gotten her counseling. McNeill granted sole custody to the mother.
3. Gerald Gibbs was on probation for a fleeing/evading police charge when he was convicted of physical assault of his young son. Gibbs had hit the boy hard enough with the belt to cause bruising and left an imprint of the buckle on the boy's backside. Remember he was convicted of this assault and McNeill refused to revoke the man's probation.
His exact words: "I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to revoke his probation for soemething like this ... I think you ought to probably get a medal."
Someone said earlier that they believed McNeill had not had a criminal decison overturned by the appellate court and that may well be true and that's the best point -- judges are given a great deal of discretion when it comes to their rulings. You want someone sitting there that will use that discretion wisely.

[Lucky]

As an FYI, Judge McNeill's appeal record may be found here:

http://apps.kycourts.net/Appeals/COA_Opinions.shtm

Just type "John W. McNeill" in the search field.

The database contains written opinions by the KY Court of Appeals and KY Supreme Court since 1996.

The search shows McNeill's completed appeals as judge, not pending - with one criminal reversal. The criminal case that was reversed is now being heard by the Kentucky Supreme Court.

Overall, this search shows 23 completed appeals with him as judge.

Here's the breakdown:

11 Criminal - 1 reversal (9%)
12 Civil - 4 reversals or vacated / remanded (33%)

Overall Appeal Grade = 78.2%

The same search for "Stockton B. Wood" yielded no results.

[Lucky]

I think a couple of quotes from Professor Anthony Kronman, law professor, classmate of Samuel Alito and a witness before the Senate Judiciary Commitee put it best:

"Anyone who has studied the law knows that it is not a mechanical system; it requires moral judgments at many points. But there is all the difference in the world between a person who approaches the law from the outside and views it as an instrument for the advancement of some program of one kind or another, and a person who approaches it from the inside and whose fundamental leading allegiance is to the law itself."

I believe Stockton is definitely in the second category - with a deep respect for the law as it is written.

Prof. Kronman also said:

"The temperament of the judge, as I see it, is marked by modesty, by caution, by deference to other[s], in different roles with different responsibilities, by an acute appreciation of the limitations of his own office, and by a deep and abiding respect for the past.

There is a name that we give to all of these qualities taken together. We call them judiciousness. And in calling them that, we recognize that they are the special virtues of a judge."

January 13, 2006

full quote can be found here:
http://www.asksam.com/ebooks/releases.asp?file=Alito_Hearing.ask&dn=Day%205%20%2d%20Witness%20%2d%20Kronman

I believe that Stockton Wood best fits these qualities. He possesses a better respect for the law and to those who appear in court and can bring consistency and respect to the courtroom. (I understand some of his supporters are people he formerly prosecuted.)

Stockton Wood is the judicious judge choice - and has my vote.

[gridironmom]

McNeill has been a tremendous asset to this community. Not only is he fair and just, but he is also consistent. In speaking with him, he has always been straight forward. I believe he is a pillar in the community. He has my vote!

[THeflin]

Stockton has been a prosecutor for many years, do not believe for one minute that he will go easy on convicted criminals. He has served on the founding board of the Children's Advocacy Center to gently gather as much evidence as possible to prosecute sex offenders and not further traumatize victims.....this was a voluntary position and maintaining funding for the program has been difficult......he will stand for victims and has proven himself as a conscienous prosecutor and an advocate for victims.

[kdown]

I think this election will be very close

[watzaspacebar]

Let's not forget that Judge McNiell thinks that "SEXUAL ABUSE IS A BUZZ WORD" that is a direct quote from a ruling made by him in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[watzaspacebar]

In case it was unclear... STOCKTON WOOD ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sofa King]

I've had the pleasure and dis-pleasure of working around both. I'm not much for a judge that uses Sexual Abuse as a buzz word, nor am I too keen on letting drug dealers out on parole with a 1/4 time served. I think we need a change. I'm voting Woods~

[*hotrods*]

I'm a life long resident of Maysville area and very proud of this. I have 2 young children and as every parent wants only the best for them. The crime in this area has risen leeps and bounds recently. I can't imagine keeping a judge who ask a convicted drug offender "if his last name is Lofton and do you play basketball" in open court and then convicts him to serve community service at our local Boys & Girls Club. My children attend the Boys & Girls Club and this really makes me worry. Should sexual abuse be considered " A BUZZ WORD"? Did you know that the 3 men that was involved in the shooting at Yesterdays Night Club had all been probated by "Good OL Judge McNeil"?

Did you know that Judge McNeil has said in open court to a offender "Your a good boy and I talked to your daddy on the phone last night and we are going to just probate you"?:eek: We can't keep a judge who want's to practice law on the bench the way he thinks it should be praticed! The law has to be pratice without involving your personal thoughts and the "Good OL Boy" way.

Stockton Wood has a very consistant record as a prosecuter for several years. Who can deny the fact that we as a community need someone sitting on the bench who is going to prosecute these offenders to the fullest? I know the F.O.P. has endorsed Stockton Wood and this should tell all of us something. I was told by one police officer that its hard to arrest criminals to see them set free by Judge McNeil.

This is a very serious issue because all of us could be affected by the outcome of this election. I know I care and love my children way to much for me to vote for someone with the background record that Judge McNeil has!

[Sofa King]

^^^^^^

What they said!

[Foxy]

There is another forum for you all to post opinions in regarding Circuit Court Judge...

http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6389

I think Chuck would like this to just be for the polls, and a comment, but discussions should go into the above link.

[SomeDude]

Go Stockton Wood!!!

[Chuck]

It is not obvious by any stretch of the word. Everyone comes here to voice there opinions, just like you did. Most of the people here I know and I don't think they are going to appreciate what you just said... Hope you have broad shoulders.

Ohh, and remember you opened the can of worms.

[PoliticallyConfused]

I don't think Chuck said anything about whom he might be voting for come November 7th. I will say that I have found somethings very interesting in this poll that I did not previously know. If the truth hurts then so be it.

I don't know about anyone else but I had to verify my email before I could post on this site. So there blows that intelligent idea of yours. I think the polls should stay. Just because it looks one way here doesn't mean it can't go another way come November 7th.

[Chuck]

Actually I am just playing peace keep. I have yet to choose a side.

Explain the "Conflict of Interest" for me if you will?

These are polls, not an election. They are no different than a CNN poll. The Nov. 7th Election will be the official and final score.

You are so correct I do have an hidden agenda. My agenda is to drive traffic to this site. It brought you here now didn't it??? and you made 2 user names, this one and "gojudge".

Judge McNeil is a very good friend of mine and I do like him very much, so try not to guess whom I support in the future cause you might just be wrong.

[holysmokes10]

Go get them Woodpecker!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are right Chuck this is not the election, the polls on this site do not mean crap...We will see the REAL outcome on November 7th............See you at the poles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[canaco]

Nice posting. Ahhh... NOT!!!!!!!! If McNeil was in the lead and had all the support it would be the Stockton people saying the same thing. Nobody is ever happy when they are behind.

You should use this information as a tool instead of blaming Chuck. It just seems like every time someone post something on this site that someone else doesn't like they jump to blaming Chuck. It's like shooting the messenger.

You have a nice site Mr. Chuck. Thank you for the polls and place to say whats on my mind.

[gleroyjr]

Let's not forget that Judge McNiell thinks that "SEXUAL ABUSE IS A BUZZ WORD" that is a direct quote from a ruling made by him in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i would like to see that quote from the court records.

[gleroyjr]

I'm a life long resident of Maysville area and very proud of this. I have 2 young children and as every parent wants only the best for them. The crime in this area has risen leeps and bounds recently. I can't imagine keeping a judge who ask a convicted drug offender "if his last name is Lofton and do you play basketball" in open court and then convicts him to serve community service at our local Boys & Girls Club. My children attend the Boys & Girls Club and this really makes me worry. Should sexual abuse be considered " A BUZZ WORD"? Did you know that the 3 men that was involved in the shooting at Yesterdays Night Club had all been probated by "Good OL Judge McNeil"?

Did you know that Judge McNeil has said in open court to a offender "Your a good boy and I talked to your daddy on the phone last night and we are going to just probate you"?:eek: We can't keep a judge who want's to practice law on the bench the way he thinks it should be praticed! The law has to be pratice without involving your personal thoughts and the "Good OL Boy" way.

Stockton Wood has a very consistant record as a prosecuter for several years. Who can deny the fact that we as a community need someone sitting on the bench who is going to prosecute these offenders to the fullest? I know the F.O.P. has endorsed Stockton Wood and this should tell all of us something. I was told by one police officer that its hard to arrest criminals to see them set free by Judge McNeil.

This is a very serious issue because all of us could be affected by the outcome of this election. I know I care and love my children way to much for me to vote for someone with the background record that Judge McNeil has!
could u give the name of the officer, i think not

[Claire]

i would like to see that quote from the court records.
I can show you the video tape of McNeil saying SEXUAL ABUSE is a Buzz word.. just send me a PM here.
I AM THE STEP MOTHER IN THIS CASE!!! I WAS THERE!! I promise you would be shocked by what he has to say! And you can find a letter to the editor from the director of the children's advocacy center where she also mentions it. She too saw the video of the trial.

And to you Woodpecr, I have my real name here, and DO NOT appreciate the false allegations you have stated! Go read other posts, this is a place for an opinion, I say what I want and you say what you want. I am not hiding from anyone, and I am not afraid to let those here know who I am.
I have seen no "allegations" here, just facts. This man needs to go. He has proven it over and over again, his actions speak louder than his words.
If you're a thief in Mason, Bracken or Fleming County, a slap on the wrist is all you will get.
As for that you are correct. If McNeil stays that will happen.
A can of worms?? No this is a bucket!!

And I too have heard officers say that it is kind of pointless to charge someone if the judge is just going to throw it out. And I will not divulge names.

[Claire]

ya peckin up the wrong tree with me woodpckr.... lol...
I am just messin with you... welcome to the site.. I just love it when the pressure is on.
But is funny that you are mad at us for supporting Stockton, but you mentioned nothing positive regarding your candidate McNeil. HMMMMMM

[*hotrods*]

could u give the name of the officer, i think not

I wouldn't dare involve someone who is trying to protect us all from criminals. I will only state that the local chapter of the F.O.P. endorsed Stockton Wood for good reason. If you know a local law enforsement officer just ask them there opinion. I'm sure they would be happy to give some examples of the "Good Ol Boy" :D system currently being used.

[Claire]

Judge McNeill was a director at the Boys and Girls Club for almost thirty years. He headed the committee that raise the money to buy the new site and build the new club. There's no way he would have intentionally sent a drug dealer to coach children there. If we're counting mistakes, maybe we should talke about plea bargaining a sex predator in fleming county off with "disorderly conduct."
Sorry, but ummm yeah he did intentionally do it. The court records will reflect that.
And his record reflects a lot.
This is about an election, and in making an INFORMED decision, I will look at what the incumbent’s track record is. That is what I will do and I recommend you all do. This is not about a particular party “having control”, I don’t care if you are an elephant or donkey, I just care how you will help me and my family. I care how this town will be for my children in the future, and how the guilty are found guilty and kept where they belong, in jail, and not escaping.
If you don't like the past coming back to haunt you, then by all means, once elected act as if it is an election year and we are all watching! Because we are all watching! I have patiently waited for 2 long years for this particular election. Those that know me know why. Those that read my posts know why.

[Sofa King]

could u give the name of the officer, i think not


I can give you the names of 23 of them....

[*hotrods*]

I can give you the names of 23 of them....

I never looked at it that way, but your right!

[roadrunner]

I wouldn't dare involve someone who is trying to protect us all from criminals. I will only state that the local chapter of the F.O.P. endorsed Stockton Wood for good reason. If you know a local law enforsement officer just ask them there opinion. I'm sure they would be happy to give some examples of the "Good Ol Boy" :D system currently being used.
Now this statement is priceless. Local chapter of the F.O.P. complaining of "GOOD OL BOY SYSTEM!!!!!!! Roadrunner

[Sofa King]

Now this statement is priceless. Local chapter of the F.O.P. complaining of "GOOD OL BOY SYSTEM!!!!!!! Roadrunner


Elaborate please......

[roadrunner]

Elaborate please......
I think it is hilarious for someone to accuse a Judge of using the GOOD OL BOY Sys. and then use a organization that uses the GOOD OL BOY SYS. to campaign aganist him. Now here me out before you get your panties all knotted up.I mean no disrespect against any law officer but this good ol boy system happens and it happens in every county that is being affected by this election.This happens in all towns,cities and counties across the US and if you think it don`t you`re not living in the real world.You go to the GOOD OL BOYS bar down the street when you leave chances are know one will bother you .You go to the BAD BOYS BAR down the street when you leave chances are you`ll be pulled over before you get around the block.Believe me when I say I`m not the only one that feels this way.If you know the right people,go the the right bar/clubs,swing in the right circles you will be fine.Thank God for the GOOD OL BOY SYSTEM. LMBO Roadrunner

[Chuck]

I do like the side debate and the opinions are a good this. I call it opinion cause very few people have posted fact to back their claims. ie,,, Court Records...

I delete 2 post only on the grounds that we do not allow bashing of other members for an opinion. I caution on this as the conversation seems to be heading that way.

woodpecr, I would respectfully ask that you post fact to support your above opinion or ask please remove it. Those are some strong accusations that do violate the policies and terms of agreement of this site.

Please try to keep it clean. These are only opinion polls. They have no bearing and should only be used as a tool to help a person with their champaign.
Think of the children that read this thread.

[Sofa King]

I think it is hilarious for someone to accuse a Judge of using the GOOD OL BOY Sys. and then use a organization that uses the GOOD OL BOY SYS. to campaign aganist him. Now here me out before you get your panties all knotted up.I mean no disrespect against any law officer but this good ol boy system happens and it happens in every county that is being affected by this election.This happens in all towns,cities and counties across the US and if you think it don`t you`re not living in the real world.You go to the GOOD OL BOYS bar down the street when you leave chances are know one will bother you .You go to the BAD BOYS BAR down the street when you leave chances are you`ll be pulled over before you get around the block.Believe me when I say I`m not the only one that feels this way.If you know the right people,go the the right bar/clubs,swing in the right circles you will be fine.Thank God for the GOOD OL BOY SYSTEM. LMBO Roadrunner

While I agree that at one time Maysville was bad about that, you obviously don't get out much.. And you don't have to worry about me getting my panties in a bunch, simply because I wear boxer-briefs. and they are impossible to get wadded up. Under the current administration the police department has made huge strides in ridding it's self of that stigma. How do I know? My brother works there. Or you can ask the "Good Ole Boys" of Jersey Ridge that's gotten citations for the very things they complained that Ohio citizens were doing. OR you could ask the "Good Ole Boys" That's gotten DUI's leaving the " Good Ole Boys' Bar.

I do not mind informed opinions in fact I enjoy them. But when people try to use a well known prejudice to try and explain falsehoods, then I start having problems. This isn't the 1960's every law enforcement officer has to answer for their actions. (unlike Judges) Find another stigma to state your case, this one isn't flying..

[TheMan]

While I agree that at one time Maysville was bad about that, you obviously don't get out much.. And you don't have to worry about me getting my panties in a bunch, simply because I wear boxer-briefs. and they are impossible to get wadded up. Under the current administration the police department has made huge strides in ridding it's self of that stigma. How do I know? My brother works there. Or you can ask the "Good Ole Boys" of Jersey Ridge that's gotten citations for the very things they complained that Ohio citizens were doing. OR you could ask the "Good Ole Boys" That's gotten DUI's leaving the " Good Ole Boys' Bar.

I do not mind informed opinions in fact I enjoy them. But when people try to use a well known prejudice to try and explain falsehoods, then I start having problems. This isn't the 1960's every law enforcement officer has to answer for their actions. (unlike Judges) Find another stigma to state your case, this one isn't flying..


Hmmmm... I'd love to comment on this one.. But this isn't the time or the place to do so..

[Chuck]

I delete these post for lack of fact. I offer a lot of latitude win these threads which will lead to a lot of abuse at times. I have to determine if a conversation might hold me legally liable by allowing it. This one might have crossed that line.

We are crossing a line from fact and opinion to rumors and defaming. With defaming you are required to supply fact based on documentation not "Just cause you say".

This site does allow latitude on opinion to a degree. This poll was suppose to stick strictly to give you opinion as to WHY YOU voted for whom you did. Not slam the candidate.

I am very upset here and not with woodpcr alone. I am friend to Judge McNeil. People are reading these posts and only getting one side of the story. I would think Judge McNeil would be better served by a different line of argument. As the site administrator I cannot take a side and I don't want to. I just know there is a much better way to argue this point.

[kdown]

If this goes on another day or two, some old time skeltons
are gonna get dug up. ....and I might do some of the diggin

[counselor]

I cannot keep from taking offense at some of the tactics of Woodpeckr in this web site. As is the usual case, he accuses the Wood camp of trying to stack the polls, when in fact it is he who is trying to stack the polls. Then he comes out with charges which are totally false or misleading, and purports to be able to "prove" them.
I can't believe that John McNeill approves of this kind of negative campaigning, particularly when he knows that Woodpeckr's charges are false. but Woopeckr obviously doesn't understand People's distaste for negative campaigning when he accused Stockton of being afraid to specify mistakes of Mr. McNeill, whereas he is trying to run an honorable campaign instead of a scurrilous one.
Who are you, Woodpeckr? Do you hold an appointed position under Mr. McNeill? Did you have the help of the Public Defender's office saying what a law and order judge
our present judge is? I won't hesitate to tell you that I am the father of Stockton Wood if you want to know.
Tell us who you are and what interest you have in this race that would cause you to make the charges you have made.

[Juris Prudence]

It is quite obvious that Mr. Wood is having his supporters use this website to do what he is not man enough to do himself i.e. make allegations against his opponent. Mr. Wood only handles cases that he knows he can win. All other cases are pushed off onto his assistants. The judge has to rely on the prosecutor when it comes to plea deals as the judge does not hear the facts of the case until trial. If you're a thief in Mason, Bracken or Fleming County, a slap on the wrist is all you will get.
Hey!
Vote for Wood, you pecr.:)

[Livin large]

I would like to know the candiates stand on PEDOPHILES. Why are they not prosecuted in our area??? They walk the steeets with their heads up high. LOCK THEM UP!!!!

[*hotrods*]

I cannot keep from taking offense at some of the tactics of Woodpeckr in this web site. As is the usual case, he accuses the Wood camp of trying to stack the polls, when in fact it is he who is trying to stack the polls. Then he comes out with charges which are totally false or misleading, and purports to be able to "prove" them.
I can't believe that John McNeill approves of this kind of negative campaigning, particularly when he knows that Woodpeckr's charges are false. but Woopeckr obviously doesn't understand People's distaste for negative campaigning when he accused Stockton of being afraid to specify mistakes of Mr. McNeill, whereas he is trying to run an honorable campaign instead of a scurrilous one.
Who are you, Woodpeckr? Do you hold an appointed position under Mr. McNeill? Did you have the help of the Public Defender's office saying what a law and order judge
our present judge is? I won't hesitate to tell you that I am the father of Stockton Wood if you want to know.
Tell us who you are and what interest you have in this race that would cause you to make the charges you have made.

Well said!! I agree totally!! I know Stockton and he would never ask anyone to state negative things about Judge McNeil because he has better morals, ethics as well as class to do that.

I have something really eating at me Mr. Woodpkr. Can you explain or define your user name? I'm just curious.:D

[User Name]

I covered that, hotrods, but it was deleted. :(

[kdown]

I'm loving this...Good ole, nasty, mud slinging, Kentucky politics...
And I'm Ken Downing and I approved this message.....LOL

[baker06]

I would advise woodpecr to let it go. You now have a parent upset and that alone should warrant a break from this nonsense. Just go vote.

[baker06]

I'm loving this...Good ole, nasty, mud slinging, Kentucky politics...
And I'm Ken Downing and I approved this message.....LOL
Now that's funny!

[Shrek]

I am voting for the man not the mud.

If you ever been through a divorce or a custody hearing then you would know that Sexual Abuse is "The Buzz Word" to use. It may not have been for this case I am not saying that it was.

Isn't the Boy's Club suppose to be a place for way ward kids to encourage them to better improve their lives? What does Maysville offer to help these way ward kids if not for the Boy's Club and the Y.M.C.A? Are these places just a Country Club for rich kids?

Other cases and comments McNeil has made in the past I am sure was all done based on the evidence presented to him.

I know Stockton Wood well. He would not want to win this election based on mud slinging. He wants you to vote for the person that is best suited for the job.

With that said I vote for Stockton Wood. The man that I think is best suited for the job.

[Chuck]

Moved a post from here to here.

http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6389

[mark]

I'm loving this...Good ole, nasty, mud slinging, Kentucky politics...
And I'm Ken Downing and I approved this message.....LOL

............me too, Ken............and...........since I'm only reading this one & not getting too involved............I can't get into too much trouble! ...........see ya mark

[preacherman]

Go Stockton I have had the opportunity to know and work with Stockton. I also like John but my friends the victims and who we vote for is not about friendship but who can do the best job. It is my belief that Stockton is by far the best choice

[Roger]

Best of luck to Judge McNeill!!

[samwise]

The mistakes made by Judge McNeill the last 4 years have proven that Stockton Wood is the best man for this job.

[Claire]

I assure you that the skeletons you find will cause no more harm than what McNeill has caused to many families. That my friend is a fact.
If it is me that you are referring to in the above comment about negative things, there has been nothing negative said about our daughter. Much less anything that is true.
Best of luck to both candidate, I hope that the best one will win, and the other will leave the bench.

[Chuck]

Hello to all. Night shift last week was a killer but I'm back. Hopefully, Woodson has calmed down. I understand that no parent likes to hear negative things about their child... especially when they are true. I noticed that no one has been able to refute any of the facts that I previously posted. Thanks to the public defender's office, (Woodson's suggestion), I've come upon a couple of skeletons that will be made public in the next few days. Watch your local paper. Go McNeill!!!!!!:D

I responed to you in email and my official stance is that you posted no fact only opinion and acusation. You then ask people to do the leg work to prove your opinion. You must be new to the Internet.

[counselor]

Hey, anonymous Woodpecr. Thought maybe when I identified myself you would be willing to shed your anonimity and let everyone know what dog you have in the hunt, but I guess you wouldn't have told the truth about either.
You say you have a couple of skeletons that will be made public in a few days. Why not now?
Obviously you don't want there to be any opportunity to rebut them with the truth, which leads to the inevitable conclusion that they are false and you know it.
Come ahead with your false skeletons. I doubt if anyone will answer them because they're so false they do not justify a reply. Counselor

[Anonymous Coward]

I am the only anonymous here! And I say GO STOCKTON, and to you Mr. Woodpecr, pffffffffffft.....lmbo you just seem upset that there are more supporters on this site for Stocky than for McNiell. Like you said your self some people just don't like negative things being said about their children even if they are the truth!! Maybe it is you that doesn't like us talking about the kind of job your boy is doing.

[Chuck]

Sorry Counselor,
I had to edit you post to remove a comment that might have been construed as Inflammatory. Not saying that it was.


Chuck

[*hotrods*]

Come on everybody its Halloween. "Good Ol Boy" Woodpecr is referring to pictures of kids dressed up for Halloween. I bet you thought no one was smart enough to figure it out. :D

[kdown]

Wonder why this thread is allowed to continue ?

[Chuck]

Wonder why this thread is allowed to continue ?

Cause you're still reading it. And you know me, I don't believe in closing threads if I can get out of it.

Closing a thread is like saying no one else's opinion matters except the ones already posted in the thread.

[counselor]

Thanks Chuck for your editing. I certainly don't intend to be unfair or insulting to Mr. McNeill, and if I get out of line I am happy to see you edit my words so there can be no problem.

[Foxy]

I think it will be broadcast live on the interent with Chuck's help! I look forward to it. I will be there.

[counselor]

1. You've never identified yourself, Woodpecr. However the three criticisms you've made are less than earthshaking. The answers are as follows.
1.You are sadly mistaken about G.G. Lofton.We have copies of orders for Lofton to report to Lamont Johnson 10
hours a week and a letter from the Boy's Club that they couldn't take convicted felons If that order is not in the file it is because it was removed, by order of the Judge.
2. We have no idea as to the Public Defender's statistics on pleas. Many districts only indict in cases which are about 100% for conviction, and with the victim,s consent most of these are reduced, but not dismissed. I will concede that you were smart enough to hold off on this until it was too late to respond with any figures.
3. This is not our allegation to start with. The wife of the husband gave this information, but we doubt if there would be anything to investigate where the mother never bothered to report anything for 11 months.
I'll try to enclose copies of the original documents, but I'm not too good at the computer.
I still don't think Johnny McNeill approved any of these false allegations.

[User Name]

Now the truth comes out?

Woodpecr apparently is someone who was prosecuted by Stockton, which ultimately means that he was charged with, if not convicted of, a felony. Not only that, but was given some sort of lightened penalty, or in his words "a second chance at life" by Judge McNeill.

So, pecr, what were you charged with, since now is the time for closets and skeletons and the separation of the two. If you're a convicted felon, are you even able to influence the election by voting, or are you just intentionally trying to be inflammatory?

This is a case of the prosecutor doing his job (prosecuting) and the judge doing his job, or at least his interpretation of the job, and the beneficiary of the decision (the felon) being supportive of the judge. Would you feel the same if Judge McNeill had sentenced you to a jail term?

[Claire]

Hmmm Woodpecr,
Let me think for a minute, you want more facts? You are once again mistaken; I have copies of the charges that were brought against the man accused of this horrendous crime. He was charged, arrested, and brought before the grand jury in Fayette County. The grand jury did not indict him on the ground that the mother would not cooperate with investigation, she refused to testify, and they said "this happened a while ago, she is with her father and doing well, we see no reason to make her testify and relive this". Since the mother wouldn't testify it was a grown man's word against a child's. And how many child abusers do you know that admit to what they had done?
What is there to retract? The fact is she plead guilty to a lowered charge of Dependency!
Ohhh, now that was baad, aren't you glad I didn't say that? Pfffft, what difference did that make? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE SAYS THIS DID NOT HAPPEN TO HER!! I MEANT NO ONE!!! You my friend have no idea what my step daughter has and is going through. She was happy here, she had friends here, she wanted to be here, and McNeill couldn't see that. I suppose since you saw the video than you think that the questions he asked our daughter were appropriate? What did you think when he "adjusted himself" right in front of her? Was that appropriate as well? Maybe you and McNeill have a twisted sense of what is appropriate????

Maybe you should go watch the trial before the Honorable Judge Walton? Let me know what you think of the mother's testamony there!!!

I think that you should keep running your mouth, since you hide behind a cowardly name, and I feel that you are closer to McNeill than you are willing to admit.

I was there, what happened to your skeletons? Let me guess they didn't have the guts to speak up?? ROFL that was a good one.

I think you are afraid that by me speaking the public might learn the truth about McNeill!! I am not saying what kind of person he is off the bench, but on the bench MAYSVILLE DESERVES BETTER!!

Anyway, the point is your candidate spoke tonight, and I heard the same old same old from him. My candidate spoke and I heard new ideas and thoughts. I still say GO STOCKTON!!!!!

I will say thank you though, you have made my passion for getting this man off the bench deeper than I thought possible. I pray that if you are a mother, a grandmother, father, grandfather, etc... this NEVER happens to someone in your family! I hope no one ever has to go through what we went through, and then add the salt on the wound with the disappointment that this judge brought to the judicial system.

[salliem]

The McNeill family and the Wood family have been friends for over 3 generations. We have worked together, worshiped together at the same church, and played together. Both Stocky Wood and John McNeill are good men, however, sites like this one make it very difficult for all of us, the candidates and their supporters. Running for public office over a three county area is time consuming, very expensive, and emotionally draining. And when people can anonymously trash good people, it hurts everyone - the candidates, their families and the public in general. If a few disgruntled nameless and faceless computer writers can trash a person’s reputation, made over many years of public service, than who in their right mind will ever run for public office? John McNeill has spent over 40 years in legal practice, and service to the community. Without John McNeill we would not have the new Boys and Girls Club on Maple Leaf Road, or the Downing Music School, or many of the project supported by the Hayswood Foundation. I have never heard John make a mean or disparaging comment about anyone, including his opponent. In 4 years of office as the Circuit Judge there have been approximately 4,000 cases filed in the 3 county areas – and yet it seems only two cases have been commented upon. A judge is not, nor should he be a prosecutor. A judge can only rule on the legal evidence provided to the court by the two attorneys. He cannot base his judgment on rumor, innuendo, emotion or personal opinion. There are 2 sides to every case both civil and criminal and one side must by necessity lose. John McNeill, I am very proud to say, is my brother-in-law. I will cast my vote for him based on years of integrity, experience, service, and hard work.

[Chuck]

salliem,
With due respect for this site, it has given you the power and courage to come forth and tell people, in a great mass, the truth in how you feel.

If not for this site that you speak ill of, this conversation would be and was happening behind Judge McNiell's and every politicians backs. You would have no way to defend against on a large scale. These rumors and comments would have still been made and no person would have the time or energy to defend against them.

You should take a look at this threads. Claire is Claire and not a fake name. Counselor is Woodston and he made no real effort to hide that fact from you.

I would hope you could re-evaluate your harsh words about this site. If you see the light of how rumors and elections have been handled in the past you will truly see that now you have a fore ground in which to attack them head on. When it comes to all the mudslinging that politics bring you should see that I have only brought mudslinging to an equal playing field.

This site is a way for rumors to be better controlled. This is a way and a tool to allow people to be able to address them. You may not like it right now but it is far better than the back stabbing of the "Coffee Shop Talk" from days that have past.

Thank you for your time,
Chuck

This is a Community Information and Comment site. This is not a News, Blog or any one persons site.

[kybikertrash]

Amen, Chuck!

You know what they say "opinions are like you know what, everbody's got one"

This site and these forums give everyone a right to voice their opinion, but also a right to defend themselves or their candidate. If you watch TV these days you see all these negative ads and you don't know who or what to believe. On this sight there is a chance to rebut what has been posted and you can read both sides of the story.

Thank You, Chuck!

May the best man win!

[kdown]

It's the electronic version of the Comment Line. Hide your identity and write what you want

[Claire]

I am not nameless or faceless, both my name and picture are used n this site. I have no doubt that John is a good man off the bench. But his history as a Judge is what I am voting for, not his history as a human.
My personal opinions of him off bench are not what I am voicing here, it is my opinion of his job performance that I voice.
I have seen him in many public roles, and liked them all, except that one behind the bench.

To Chuck, thank you for your post, I could not have said it better myself!
I enjoy coming here, and reading and replying. I am but one voice, and thank you for the right to state my peace.

[User Name]

I'm left with even more questions.

How did Judge McNeill give you a second chance at life? By presiding over a trial where you were found not guilty? You credit the judge more than the defense attorney? Even worse, you fault the prosecutor in a trial where you were found not guilty?

Good on you, especially if you were charged with a crime you did not commit. I'm glad to hear you're a productive member of society now. I just can't understand how it is to the credit of Judge McNeill, when clearly the defense attorney did a commendable job of defending you and having you aquitted.

[User Name]

Do we have an unidentified member of MPD here on the BBS? I'm always glad to see one of Maysville's finest! Your profile says female, so there's only one person you could be. Welcome, goodcop!

[kdown]

Think I will reserve comment for the time being

[Shrek]

Think I will reserve comment for the time being


Since you live in New York, I wouldn't think you would have an opinion or any comment to anything that directly affects our lives here in Maysville Ky. You don't have to live here.

[interestedreader]

I don't think "Goodcop" is who you think - in fact I do not believe she is a police officer at all. How'bout it "Goodcop"?

[Chuck]

goodcop can speak no more. She has been silenced.

After a confrontation she chose to say that she had never said she was a cop or one in maysville for that matter.

rest assured that goodcop was not a cop and that he or she had no real or truthful information to offer.

[TheMan]

Thank you very much Chuck. Regardless of who you support, there is no sense in impersonating an officer to get your political jargon across. Mr. McNeil and Mr. Wood are both good guys and good luck to both in the nearing election.

[roadrunner]

Why should anyone have to reveal their identity on here if they are a cop or not?? Is this just another form of intimidation?? I have McNeil signs in my front lawn.Does this mean I can expect blue lights flashing in my rear veiw mirror?
Everyone on here has a right to their opinion and should not have to put up with this bull. kdown, I`m interested in your opinion.I don`t care where you live and Shrek this election involves alot more people than just the city of Maysville.

[fluffy]

Why reveal your identity whether a cop or not?? Well, it has a lot to do with your own credibility and whether others will listen to what you say. It also has something to do with the law. If you talk like a cop, try to look like a cop and/or otherwise represent yourself as a cop, you'd better be a cop or you risk criminal charges.

[Foxy]

Also, you do not have to identify yourself in these public forums, Chuck asked the other person to identify themselves privately in a PM or email. I don't care if you are a cop or not, I am just glad we all have a place to say our peace.

[mark]

Also, you do not have to identify yourself in these public forums, Chuck asked the other person to identify themselves privately in a PM or email. I don't care if you are a cop or not, I am just glad we all have a place to say our peace.


I agree Foxy. There are sooo many new names here in the last few months there's no way I could even know everyone.

As long as decent conversation,

Who cares. Let's talk, right?? ............see ya mark

[Chuck]

Why reveal your identity whether a cop or not?? Well, it has a lot to do with your own credibility and whether others will listen to what you say. It also has something to do with the law. If you talk like a cop, try to look like a cop and/or otherwise represent yourself as a cop, you'd better be a cop or you risk criminal charges.

I will say this. If a person mis-identiies themselves as any another person or as a any public official to add credibility to their post then they are breaking the law.

You are responsible for your statements whether you make them in a coffee shop or here. Opinion and statements made as fact are two different things. I will not be held liable for a a post. I will not go to jail for a post. It is flat out asinine to assume that I would.

I have guideline and terms and conditions posted. I would recommend reading them.

This is now way off topic and should be ended.

[User Name]

Roadrunner, I think your tinfoil hat has picked up some strange vibrations and caused you to miss some of the point.

Goodcop, a user name clearly meant to present the poster as a police officer, made several posts indicating that he/she/it was a police officer. Something to the effect of "This bit of MPD is in your corner!" and "I was at the FOP meeting".

I understand that rightfully angers those who are actual police officers here on the BBS. Goodcop/Woodpecr has been nothing but inflammatory since his/her/it's first post here and Chuck made the right decision in banning it.

Not to mention the fact that impersonating a police officer is a serious offense, if that in fact has taken place.

For any lawyers who wish to comment, here is the statute: http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/519-00/055.PDF

519.055 Impersonating a peace officer.
(1) A person is guilty of impersonating a peace officer if he pretends to be a peace
officer, or to represent a law enforcement agency or act with the authority or
approval of law enforcement agency, with intent to induce another to submit to the
pretended official authority or otherwise to act in reliance upon the pretense to his
prejudice.
(2) Impersonating a peace officer is a Class D felony.
(3) As used in this section, the phrase "peace officer" means a peace officer as defined
in KRS 446.010.

In section (1), would attempting to sway opinion by claiming to be a peace officer fall under "...act in reliance upon the pretense to his prejudice."?

I'm just curious here.

[lucym]

Back to the Judges' race - I am hearing about an email sent by John McNeill's sister in law to voters and a letter sent by Judge McNeill to voters- apparently I am off the radar as I received neither but am curious what they contain - is it information that would help me make a decision about the race? I am currently undecided. I have read what has been posted but so much of it is not relevant to the race that it has not been very helpful.

Thanks!!!!!

[batman]

how do candidates feel about more fair judgment for looking at placing children with their fathers instead of going with what society thinks is the norm?

[smith63]

I dont' know about the candidate batman, but if the situation calls for it I say do it. I know too many divorced fathers that have gotten the raw end of the deal. And these are good, hard working men who are paid up on their support and want to spend time with their kids.
A ruling for custody should not be based on gender but on the care that can be provided, spiritually, mentally, financially and time wise.
Children need to know that they are loved, heck we all do. Spending time with your child, spouse or significant other can do more than buying them gifts. Sorry, didn't mean to preach!

[Claire]

I think that we need to post these questions and answers here......
http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6389

Chuck would like to have the debates in that thread. This is a polling thread...

I submitted my reply in the above thread, I hope that helps you out Batman.

[Juris Prudence]

Enough.
John McNeill is a nice man who does not belong on the bench and I will say that to his face. He knows I'm working for Stockton.
Sallie, if you can watch the videotape of the May hearing and still vote for your brother-in-law good for you, but don't begin to comment about something you know little about. I'm certain you've never watched your brother-in-law operate.
I was the same age as Claire's stepdaughter when I was raped. After watching that tape I have spent night after night sleepless. I don't think my emotional health can take another eight years of this. But that's not why I decided to make my life's work to get him off the bench. Anyone can make a mistake. You could argue that McNeill was soft hearted when he took the bench and thought criminals might respond to kindness.
But nothing has changed in the last four years.
Today is Wednesday. Last Friday McNeill reduced the bond of Vernon Douglas Heady who is charged with the forcible rape of his girlfriend's daughter. He reduced it by 90 percent. That's a fact and it was in the paper which got it from court records.
Now, you can sit at your keyboard and talk about his philanthropy and community support and he could be the absolute nicest man in the world, but he doesn't have the right temperment to make the tough decisions. Maybe he's too nice and this is not the place for some grand social experiment.
I pray no one you love is ever sexually assaulted. You better pray that if they are Stockton won the election. If not you can call me when you can't sleep -- I'll be up. bettyc

[smith63]

BettyC,
This may not be the right forum for the issue your raise but I have to agree. If there is any hint of abuse, sexual, physical or mental in a case, there should be much investigation and supervision involved. When a child is victimized, either by the person doing the deed or by the person who knows about it and does nothing, the courts need to step in and make everyone accountable.
Being the survivor of sexual molestation when I was very young, I have very emotional feelings when it comes to stopping the predator, sentencing the abuser and giving the victim their power back. We need not only a judge but a system that will enforce current laws and institute new tougher laws that will defend our children and anyone that is abused.

[Claire]

I agree with you smith63! And in order to do that we need STOCKTON WOOD as a Circuit Judge and Walton in the District Judge's chair!!

Great post Betty!! Thank you so much for sharing your story.