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kdown
April 7th, 2006, 03:50 PM
BOSTON (AP) - The most radical portion of Massachusetts' move toward universal health care - a requirement that all residents carry insurance - is giving indigestion to some who view it as a breathtaking expansion of government power.

"This is the first time in the country's history where simply by virtue of living somewhere you are mandated to purchase a product," said Michael Tanner, of the libertarian Cato Institute, based in Washington, D.C.

Supporters of the idea, including Republican Gov. Mitt Romney, cite the mandate as a pillar of the health plan because it forces individuals to take responsibility for their health care.

Many conservatives are embracing the so-called individual mandate, but some liberals and unions are suspicious. They typically prefer assessments on employers, which the Massachusetts plan also includes.

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney called the mandate "unconscionable" and accused Massachusetts of taking "a page out of the Newt Gingrich playbook."

"Forcing uninsured workers to purchase health care coverage or face higher taxes and fines is the cornerstone of Mr. Gingrich's health care reform proposals," Sweeney said.

Romney and other supporters of the mandate say it spreads the burden of covering the uninsured among ordinary citizens, business and government. Romney is expected to sign the bill, though he may veto a $295-an-employee fee for businesses that don't offer insurance.

Romney, a possible candidate for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, has compared the individual mandate to car insurance, which the state requires for everyone who owns a car. Massachusetts, under the bill, will also require everyone to have health insurance.

According to Tanner, that's a false comparison.

"Driving has always been seen as a privilege that can be revoked," he said. "This is making me buy a product simply by virtue of breathing."

What no one can say for sure is how many of the estimated 500,000 uninsured people in Massachusetts would be subject to the individual mandate - in effect, how many earn enough to buy insurance but don't.

That, according to John McDonough of Health Care for All, a state advocacy group, is one of the complex bill's many unanswered questions.

"Whether it will work out or not, we don't know," McDonough said. "No state has ever gone down this road."

The bill, a dense 145 pages, is still in the works. Some of the grittier details, such as exactly what it means to be able to afford insurance, will be sorted out when the actual regulations are drafted.

Still, there are enough details to win over supporters and perturb opponents.

Under the plan, which would take effect in July 2007, everyone who files a state tax return, beginning in 2008, will have to indicate if they have health insurance.

The bill also requires Medicaid and private insurers to turn over to the state lists of their enrollees each month.

Anyone deemed able to buy insurance, but who is still uninsured, will face increasing penalties.

For example, during the year they would lose the ability to claim a personal exemption on their state tax returns. That would cost an individual about $189 and a couple filing jointly about $378.

The poorest residents - single adults making about $9,800 or less - will get access to insurance with no premiums and no deductibles.

The bill also includes an appeals process.

Chuck
April 7th, 2006, 04:25 PM
It should be Mandatory that the Government stop making things Mandatory.

mark
April 7th, 2006, 10:45 PM
It should be Mandatory that the Government stop making things Mandatory.


WOW!! Chuck....we are in agreement.

I couldn't agree with you more!!...........see ya mark

kcredden
April 7th, 2006, 11:40 PM
My opinion is, we need to vote out the entire lot, and get some in there, with some sense, and not influenced by every 2 bit business that wants to do something against their customers.

ruby1968
April 9th, 2006, 01:10 PM
I can see it now " I have health insurance can I borrow money to feed my kids please" HAHA

who cares??
April 10th, 2006, 01:58 PM
The Republicans are so inmeshed with the drug companies and insurance companies. Every policy they enact results in financial gain for those companies at the cost of working(struggling) Americans. We are the majority!!! WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY!!

kcredden
April 10th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Agreement with Ruby, and WhoCares. But as the poet Juvenal once said: "panem et circenses", latin for "Give them panem et circenses (or Bread and Circuses)" This has been the pattern for the U.S., for a long time. This is my grievence I've seen, and my disenchantment with the US goverment, and to a lesser degree, big businesses.

So as long as we're well fed, and entertained, (panem et circenses), the this may be the status quo. The congress will keep writing laws that benifit the businesses, erode our rights, and make everyone in essense a felony class chrimminal, or put us in poverty, because no one cares, as long as their fat, and content.

WhoCares wrote it best:

The Republicans are so inmeshed with the drug companies and insurance companies. Every policy they enact results in financial gain for those companies at the cost of working(struggling) Americans. We are the majority!!! WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY!!

I however, won't put it ALL in the Republicans lap. I'm seeing more and more, the Democrats are doing it too, to a lesser degree.

But should we have mandotory heath insurance? I can see the benifits, IF it's done right, and phased in slowly so the costs will go down. Along with health-care reform - I mean real reform. Not these bandaids they've been putting on it. Reforms that really does bring the cost down. Costs for the insurance has to come down, for as Ruby said,

I can see it now " I have health insurance can I borrow money to feed my kids please" HAHA

But remember: "panem et circenses"

GirlColumbo
April 11th, 2006, 08:28 PM
what should be mandatory is affordable health insurance!!!

anita
April 11th, 2006, 10:53 PM
Medical coverage is a must for anyone. Medical Insurance should pay more than it does . Peoples work enviroment should also pay complete balance of medical cost. Plus people should not have to worry about health cost .

kdown
April 12th, 2006, 11:28 AM
We pay the premiums for our employees and their families.
The current cost for a family plan is 963.00 per month.
It's going up to $1050.00 per month.

Plus people should not have to worry about health cost .

SOME people have to worry about health cost if they want to stay in business.

Chuck
April 12th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Freedom of choice, like all freedoms, comes at a cost. The cost of insurance is that cost for this topic.

Insurance companies what to create a lager bottom line while getting the Government to pass laws that make you remain as healthy as possible. This steals last part steals from your Freedom of "ANOTHER" choice, like what you eat and how you live.

Now if the Insurance Companies continue to get Government regulation in place on "how you live" there will be no "freedom of choice".

The Insurance Companies "SAY" do the regulation game to keep rates down when in fact the raise them with each new regulation.

Now they COULD successfully reduce Insurance Premiums if they would quit spending billions of dollars on lobbyist to get regulations past that remove your freedoms.

Win, Lose or Draw it will be you that pays in Higher Premiums, More Regulations and Lousy Health Insurance at an UN-affordable rate.

Chuck

kdown
April 14th, 2006, 07:20 AM
The Massachuetts bill was signed into law by Gov Mitt Romney yesterday. Some are saying it could be the model for other states.

Rick Litton
October 18th, 2006, 08:50 PM
I agree with Kdown.....been there and done that. I like the thought of changing the medicare plan to include all. Take out the words 65 and older. Make it available to everyone and if the person is under 65...surcharge them an affordable amount. If the person wants additional coverage, they could purchase it just as those over 65 do - thru a medicare supplement. I am sure there are those in the medical and insurance fields that would not like this but think about it....it might work and provide people with affordable coverage. Just a thought.

spencer2
October 19th, 2006, 01:13 PM
Perhaps your are right Mr. Litton but I just can't support anything mandated! The word alone makes my skin crawl.

Rick Litton
October 19th, 2006, 01:34 PM
Perhaps your are right Mr. Litton but I just can't support anything mandated! The word alone makes my skin crawl.

I, also, do not favor it being mandated but, merely, making it available as an alternative choice for an affordable health insurance plan.

Foxy
October 19th, 2006, 03:56 PM
I think it is a great idea. As many of my friends here know, I suffer from LUPUS, if I lose health coverage, getting me re-covered is a pain. They don't want me on their plans because they already know that my medical bills are high. My prescriptions are over $500 a month! Not counting the monthly visits to the lab for tests, the countless MRI, CAT, and EKG tests I have done. They think it sucks and I know it does! There is a new med that has helped me immensely!! But insurance doesn't cover it, and it is $100 a month to purchase.. any one want to donate to the help Foxy get her meds, just let me know..hahaha