How do you feel about a Drug Rehab Facility close to 2 schools

[ponto]

Comprehend and BTADD presented an overview of the Recovery Kentucky facility coming to Maysville at a luncheon held at Capronis Restaurant today.

Comprehend Inc. easily defended the need for a unit of this type, but could not come up with a good reason to place the unit within 4,000 feet of two different schools on Martha Comer Drive.

There is another site that was looked at, near Mitsubishi, but the city/county site was more attractive since it was free and had better access to electricity.

[ponto]

We just got an e-mail that asked about the money.

The program allots $3,000 a person for treatment of up to 30 days and $5,000 for longer stays, with higher amounts for juveniles because their treatment is more expensive. The money goes to the treatment center, not the addict.

Also it was stated at the meeting the cost could be $500 a day for some types of clients.

That is $3000.00 per month x 100 men x 12 months = 3.6 million plus per year income for the center.

During the meeting today it was announced that the operating expenses would be $700,000.

Also it was stated at the meeting the cost could be $500 a day for some types of clients.

[ponto]

So you want to know who to complain to about the location...................

E-mail Address:
The Mayor - dcartmell@maysvilleky.net
The Commisioners _

vcmckay@greentokai.com

boggsw@maysvilleky.net

jrlitton@maysvilleky.net

johnnymains@yahoo.com

Your city commisioners need to know that there are other locations that are acceptable and were looked at for this re -hab center but not presented to the public.

[Chuck]

The meeting was interesting to say the least. I listened as they (Comprehend, Inc) explained the need for this facility and how it would work.

Basically it is the standard voluntary admission to be treated. About 3 to 14 days of detox and then a trudging process to see if you like it. If you fit the bill they will assist you in progressing to the next stage and so on. I can get more information on the procedures if you would like to read them.

The procedures or the fact that we need a facility of this nature was not the issue. The issue seemed to stem around the "location" choice of the facility.

Glenn George of Courika Solutions started off the question segment of the meeting getting directly to the point that the location is a bad place for this facility. He made a very strong argument but was met with the argument that this was in their eyes the best location for their facility.

I stood and voiced my opinion on the location of the facility in support of Glenn George. I made a final statement then we conceded that a facility of this nature is indeed needed in our area but the location was the issue.

Sean George of Courika Solutions spoke next in support of the same opinion that this location is a bad place. Sean added that it is not only the business owners with children that will attend the newly built school that take issue with the Rehab Facility but is is an out cry in the community currently.

They (Comprehend, Inc.) stated that other locations where looked at but did not suit their needs. One other such location was out by the Mitsubishi Plant. I kind of liked that idea for a location, but have stated that in the past on this site.

I am not a journalist and I am making an effort at describing the facts without interjecting any personal opinion,,, but this is a discussion forum and not a newspaper site. Opinion is what we want here.

I feel the location is wrong for this project. With 2 schools in close proximity I just don't find it an acceptable risk for our children and the students of the college. At the meeting I tried my best to not interject emotion in to my statements but failed. I feel that passionately about this topic. I feel my argument and my emotions fell on deaf ears as the facility is going in at this location.

You should be able to find the New Rehab Facility on Martha Commer Dr. across from the Public works, somewhere behind the college in 2006. Or you can go to the Newly built Intermediate School and turn right.

Click Here to email this poll to your friends so we can get a better answer to the question on how people feel. (http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/sendmessage.php?do=sendtofriend&t=3801)

[Eddie]

Chuck,
Thanks for trying... You want to know why the Comprahend folks want this so bad. I'd say it's the $3,000 to $5,000 a druggie! talk about creating your own job security.

I still say let another town have the stinking druggies, and Let those who give a crap about them and want to help them move there to treat them.

I for one don't give a rats butt what happens to them, as long as they are not around my little boy.

[dpolley]

Chuck,
Thanks for trying... You want to know why the Comprahend folks want this so bad. I'd say it's the $3,000 to $5,000 a druggie! talk about creating your own job security.

I still say let another town have the stinking druggies, and Let those who give a crap about them and want to help them move there to treat them.

I for one don't give a rats butt what happens to them, as long as they are not around my little boy.
My sentiments exactly, Eddie. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm using the email list in ponto's last post. Might not do any good, but at least they'll know I'm ticked off.

[Sassie Mama]

I knew it was all about the money. they don't care about the safety of our kids!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssss.

[randy1]

Chuck,
Thanks for trying... You want to know why the Comprahend folks want this so bad. I'd say it's the $3,000 to $5,000 a druggie! talk about creating your own job security.

I still say let another town have the stinking druggies, and Let those who give a crap about them and want to help them move there to treat them.

I for one don't give a rats butt what happens to them, as long as they are not around my little boy.

..............you all know how I feel about this one too. I'm in total agreement with Eddie & dpolley.


Remember.......just follow the money trail -- you'll get the REAL answers...............see ya mark

[Chuck]

Nice article in the Ledger about the meeting.

http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2005/11/03/local_news/400chamber.txt

[snowtiger]

How can you guys summarily judge people like that? To think that all "druggies" are worthless and do not warrant any help????? It's this kind of attitude of intolerance and prejudice that lets this problem accumulate and destroy lives!!!! You want to take them out and shoot them like they are rabid dogs???? Do you think the same way of the upper class when they are alcoholics or coke addicts, or is it just the lower classes you feel that way about? That's all I've got to say. I'm very sad and disappointed about some of the posts.

[annieap]

Whether a person is upper, middle or lower class alcohol is alcohol and drug abuse is drug abuse. I dont feel any compassion for either. No one forced the person to take that first drink or smoke that first joint, pop that first pill, snort that first line, etc. The individual made a personal choice and my child should not be put at risk because of that choice.
If the need for a rehabilitation center is so great in our area, CHOOSE ANOTHER LOCATION!

[dpolley]

Bravo, Annie.

[Sassie Mama]

I was in head collision on by someone who was drinking and high on drugs years ago and then when i went back to school a few days later they had the nerve to stand there and laugh at me. Do i have any compassion for people who do drugs .. NO i do not and i never will !!!! Like Annie said it's there choice to do so.We didn't force it on them. Yes a rebab would be good but not next to a school !!!!

[snowtiger]

So just because one person was horrible to you and showed no shame in their behavior, you think that is a good enough reason not to have compassion toward your fellow human beings?? I'm sorry they did that to you, but not everyone is like that. I'm really glad that none of you have ever had these problems, but it saddens me that you are not showing love and compassion to your fellow human beings who were not so lucky. My point in the upper/middle class was that society tends to turn a blind eye to the upper classes problems with illegal substances and behavior, while the lower classes have to suffer the stigma and prejudice. The lower classes are the ones that will surely be at these facilities since they can't afford the "high dollar" clinics. I'm not talking about the location of the rehabilitation system, I'm just very disgusted by the lack of compassion and tolerance that people are showing to their fellow brothers and sisters. I pray that if you all ever have problems, no one judges you as harshly as you are judging people you don't even know!!!!

[GirlColumbo]

seems we have had this arugement before. the location is stupid to begin with. i would have to pull my child out of that school system................someone is not thinking with common sense as far as the location goes.

as far as all addicts being so for the same reason is just not logical thinking.
some addicts are addicted because of accidents, ie; pain killers etc......abuse, or a myriad of other reasons.............it is true there are beligerant buttholes who are addicts..............but still yet there are beligerant buttholes who are not addicts.

sometimes lower class individuals become addicts because of trying to self medicate depression or other mental illnesses they cant afford to get the proper medical treatment for.

One really needs to walk in another mans shoes before passing judgement.

[dpolley]

While I see snowtiger's point (to a point) concerning compassion for your fellow man, you've got to admit that it is still the individual's choice to try a drug, cigarette, beer, etc. the first time. While I can't understand the allure of drugs, it doesn't mean that if I were to start using that I would not be responsible for my own mistake. We choose whether we fall into the trap or not. It's no one's fault but our own if we start smoking pot, snorting cocaine, shooting heroin, or anything else. Bottom line, if you're stupid enough to try drugs and you do get hooked, you have no one to blame but yourself. And while there is a need for rehab for those THAT REALLY WANT TO QUIT, there is no excuse for a clinic, or "clean-up center" to be so close to a school, residential district, or business district. My vote goes to blaming this particular situation on the greedy local politicians who give away land and tax breaks to anyone who can promise them the faintest chance of tax revenue. Everyone is not going to have the same views on the drug abusers; but we're not evil people for feeling the way that we do. Political correctness has no place here. Free speech, the last time I checked, applies to everyone, not just the people who have the mindset of free speech/say what you want/let your brother do anything he wants and forgive him!
Any questions?

[GirlColumbo]

man that free speech thing comes up everytime another view is posted and it conflicts with a few others. we are not evil either for having compassion for some people who fall into the trap of addiction. for example what about the person who has been injured in a serious car wreck, has to take pain killers for a prolonged period........who gave him the choice to become addicted, i would say his physician did, so you cannot say everyman has made the choice to become addicted, Drug users for recreation is another story....................

[Foxy]

OK OK here is my 2 cents.
Whether or not a person is an addict by choice or by circumstance, if they have the balls to ask for help then they should receive help regardless of their financial situation.
As a parent of children who will attend the new school, I too am COMPLETELY apposed to its location! I think that the center should be built. And I only pray that those elected officials who allow this to be built near a school, remember that they are elected, and voting time will be here soon enough. And those that choose to accept the responsibility to vote WILL remember each constituent’s position on this issue.
Regardless of how they are let out and admitted in, at some point some will be walking around and might just e angry enough at the “system” to do something very stupid!
Maybe that is really why Straub had the “drill” a few weeks ago, and the situation was one that a parent had taken hostages in the school. Are they preparing for the future?
Who knows what might happen.

[drslude]

There seems to be a lack of understanding about the nature of addiction. This is rather long, but I think this explains the basics without getting overly technical.

The Normal versus Addicted brain

Normal brain:
Experiencing a pleasurable event (e.g., orgasm) results in a large spike in the dopamine level in the brain... with a quick return to normal level after the event so the body is ready to enjoy another pleasurable event.

Addicted brain:
Set point is different — "thermostat" is reset. Baseline may be higher or lower than normal. When an individual with an addicted brain has his or her first drug high, the dopamine level rises even higher than during orgasm — the high is even more intense and lasts longer than orgasm…but the dopamine level doesn’t return to the normal baseline. It plunges to 0 — no dopamine – and stays there. We equate this state to being in QUICKSAND — and this is where addicted individuals lead their lives — in quicksand.

In the quicksand…
If you were in quicksand up to your nose ready to go under, what would you do to avoid going under?

If standing on the bank was a person who has threatened to kill you…and that person threw you a vine wrapped with sharp daggers tied on with rose thorns and dipped in elephant dung, would you grab the vine? You know if you grab that vine you’ll rip open your hands, get an infection, it will hurt and, even if you get to the bank, the person there will probably kill you…

Yet, you still grab the vine. Why? Because the alternative is death. This is the "choice" that the addicted individual faces every day. This vine is their drug or alcohol. Addicted individuals believe that unless they grab that vine, they will die in the quicksand. This is not a choice — this is survival behavior.

Newton’s Third Law of Physics:
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The high transforms into a corresponding low…and with each succeeding drug or alcohol event, the addicted person must use more and more to get less and less of an effect (tolerance) — continues falling further and further until they are using not to get high but just to get normal. With time, will take 75 percent of normal, then 50 percent…"just keep me out of the quicksand" — will do anything to avoid the withdrawal, the misery.

The section of the brain that makes and stores emotional memories is called the AMYGDALA. Signals are continually transmitted to the amygdala. They are translated and stored as emotional memories. In the brain of the addicted individual, the supraorgasmic high created by drugs or alcohol creates a "Kodak snapshot" of the moment that is indelibly etched in the amygdala…and the individual is "rewarded" only upon recreation of the Kodak snapshot. Failure to recreate the Kodak snapshot relegates that person to the quicksand.

Research studies:

PHASE 1:


Rat allowed to drink from alcohol feeder for half-hour – PET Scan while drinking — amygdala "lights up" showing surge of dopamine (the neuro transmitter of pleasure) into amygdala. Several hours later PET Scan shows no dopamine.

PHASE 2:


Repeat test — only this time when rat drinks, we flash a light and ring a bell. Amygdala "lights up." Several hours later PET Scan shows no dopamine.

PHASE 3:


Substitute water for alcohol. Flash light and ring bell while rat drinks the water. Amygdala still "lights up" even though there’s no alcohol inducing the pleasure. So how does this relate to addiction? Read on…

What brings on the cravings that drive the addicted individual to repeat addictive behavior?

Unlike in the normal brain, there is no satiation with pleasure. Dopamine levels crash down quickly and stimulate "cravings"…searching for anything to recreate that Kodak snapshot high and stay out of the quicksand.

The Kodak snapshots of euphoric highs etched into the amygdala form emotional memories that are triggered by exposure to "people", "places" or "things." They are the "flashing light" and "ringing bell." It could be getting together with your old drinking buddy that triggers memories of fun, laughter and great times — stimulating cravings for a drink…

It could be listening to a certain album or particular musical group that triggers memories of times when you were drugging… and you suddenly feel a craving for the drug you worshipped at that time of your life...

It could be going to a baby shower and seeing lines of baby powder on the bassinet and you suddenly feel a craving for cocaine again...

It’s not a lack of will power…it’s not a lack of moral courage…it’s neurochemistry…aberrant neurochemistry…

Science tells us…ADDICTION IS A BRAIN DISEASE.

Society does not pass judgment on other brain diseases like Epilepsy, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer's, Stroke… so why should addicted individuals be looked upon as "weak" or "morally inept."

ADDICTION IS A DISEASE.

Alcohol remains in the brain for 11 1/2 months before the dopamine system gradually returns to a semblance of normalcy. For other drugs, it takes 12 - 18 months. That’s a major reason relapse is so hard to avoid, especially during the first few months.

The emotional memories stored in the amygdala are merely dulled in recovery. With relapse, the levels quickly return to what they were previously – regardless of the time in recovery. The body doesn’t know time.

So when AA calls for 90 meetings in 90 days, there’s a good reason. The alcohol the addicted person drank 60 days ago is still there. The emotional memory is still there. The body is still receiving inappropriate messages from the amygdala telling the person to grab the vine. Only consistent treatment can provide the strength and time needed to bring the dopamine system back to a manageable level.

[GirlColumbo]

the exact reasons why the rehab center should not be located near a school, drslude
addictions are serious business and no child should be anywhere near that type of center. i cant figure out what the people are thinking who agree it is okay to put the center close to a school in the first place.................do they not understand what an addicted person can and will do?

[annieap]

Walk into a funeral home and see an eight year old child laying in wake because some idiot popped too many loratabs and washed them down with whiskey and hopped behind the wheel of his car then talk to me about compassion for our fellow man.
Live in the same household with an alcoholic who chose to shut the bars down then come home and beat on his wife (my mom) and child (me).
Am I perfect? Heck no. I used to close the bars down also when I was younger. But you wanna know what? I knew my limit and I knew when to stop. I knew when to have someone drive me home if I chose to go a bit past that limit. I didnt get an attitude and want to beat on the first person that came along. I also knew when it was time to completely stop.
It's not an issue of class. The lower class pays the same price for the next high just the same as the upper class. Dealers dont discount according to status so why should rehabilitation centers?
But, to get back on topic, it isnt a question of status, it is a question of location, and having a rehabilitation that close to any school is absurd! Our schools have D.A.R.E. programs and drug free weeks to discourage use in our young ones and now the city wants to place burned out druggies next to these very kids? Geeze what are they thinking?
dpolley, I am right there with you on using the e-mails listed in ponto's post. My
e-mails have already been sent.

[GirlColumbo]

the addiction arguement will go on till dooms day................
has me wondering what good a rehab center would be if addicts can come and go as they see fit................seems like that would not help at all.................to keep them there until a behavior modification regime took effect would seem more sensible. to not do so would just be a waste of time, effort and money............then again if an addiction is kicked successfuly someone will be out some profits, i bet all the liquor servers who profit from many alcholics would not like that very well, or the drug companies

[Eddie]

I disagree GirlColumbo. I don't need to walk in their shoes to pass judgement. I never tried drugs in my life, you know why, because I was smart enough not to, and my dad would have beat me silly. You guys are right about one thing though, I have no compasion for weak people who can't say no and I don't care who knows it, which is why I post my name on the site instead of hiding behind a fake one. And in response to Snow Tiger's comment, I don't care if they're rich, poor, or middle class, I STILL don't care what happens to them. To me all they are is a strain on society. I'm really not trying to incite an argument here, because to be honest, I doubt I'll change your way of thinking, and I'm sure as heck sure you won't change mine. So let's just agree to disagree on this one.

[Foxy]

geesh Eddie... **poof be gone**..... not hiding my name... my name is unimportant here.
That is the beauty of this kind of forum.
What does it matter?
If my name was George Bush, or I was the mayor, rich, or poor, then some here would think my opinion is irrevelant, based solely on the idea of who they think I am. But not knowing my background, and finances, allows me the freedom to say what I truly belive in. With out the retribution of my fellow maysville citizens.

Does it matter if there is $100,000 in my bank account? Would it matter if I had tattoos, and body peircings?

So many have prejudged people in this community based on thier apperance not the knowledge they have.

[Foxy]

ok Im done..sorry lets get back on topic.

I apologize for my out burst...

This was not the forum for that....

[tiger_n2_dragon]

What do you get when you cross a rehabilitation center with a school? Job security.
Which way did he go George?

[GirlColumbo]

my name is posted eddie, at the end of what ever i have to say. just like foxy says. why would htat matter anyway. actually the strain on society is the big man who is the ring leader in bringing the illegal drugs into our communities.................
so eddie if you tried on another shoes that didnt just try drugs but had to have them for some medical reason or another you would maybe understand that not EVERY drug addict is so because he/she is weak minded.

I am not condoning drug abuse, but i do know there are those who are addicted from drugs other than illegal street drugs. you surely have experienced ONLY people who abuse drugs for recreational purposes................... I have known both types of addicts.................believe me those who become addicted for pain did not choose so because they got up one morning and decided hey my broken back is killing me so i think i will go get pain killers and become addicted to them just so i can be a menace to socitey...............

my point is not everyone is addicted because they chose to be................and not everyone is a stupid individual who just cant say no. yes there are plenty of those out there who are and they will always be out there until a judge passes sentence on the main person selling drugs to those who cant say no. that is where the menace to society comes to a grinding hault. that will probably not happen becasue if it did there would not be any need for a rehab center in the first place and someone would not be able to profit.

so if you really want to say someone is a strain on society, and who is costing the tax payer at least look in the right place, where it all stems from. it is not the person who is addicted but the person who gave the opportunity to become addicted in the first place..........you better believe i would like to see drug abuse wiped out in this country...........but it has to start with where it begins

[lone wolf]

Ok lets see if this reply will make it past the censorship watchdogs.

After reading the replys made here, I see that there is several persons who suffer from the illness labeled," Small Town Ville". For those of you who has never ventured out beyond the shores of this small pond called "Maysville", life isn't perfect.

The lack of compassion is amazing and the narrow minded remarks made are unreal. Stating that you care not for those who made wrong choices in their lives is a work of art. Your not talking about persons who just dropped into this small town of Maysville, your talking about people that you grew up with, played with, went to school with and I dare say you might have even shared a Friday or Saturday night out at the bars with.

In my travels I have seen children at the age of ten who had drug and alcohol problems and were in rehab centers. Now where do you think these young children got their start. Why at home of course. Watching mommy and daddy having a drink, toke or taking that little pill to help them feel better. So if mommy and daddy do it, it must be ok, after all they are my parents and they can do no wrong.

Now I'm not saying that mommy and daddy were bad parents, just not very watchful of their important role. The parents are to be the example of how life is to be, so that role is very important, but sometimes along the way, the parents loose that insight. Being an example for your children is important, so look closely into your mirrows tonight and see if you can say without a doubt, "I'm a good example".

As far as the location for the rehab center. Like most people, the people of this town are making a choice, to hide the little dirty secret or put it out there for all to see. Put it out into the out skirts of town, just like the ***** houses of Las Vegas, now isn't that a first. Just like Nevada, the ***** houses are there, the people like the income they create but they don't want them seen. So you do the rehab center the same way. How many people in this town earn income from alcohol and drug sells? You know the problem is here, some like the income it creates, but no one wants to deal with the problems that this income causes. Freedom of choice is the American way, but it carries a price tag.

I dare say, that if the people of this area were to be honest and not take offense and claim up, there is more bare bones rattling in the closets of the homes here, than there is in the grave yards surrounding the town.

[snowtiger]

I think I just fell in love with you Lonewolf!!!

[snowtiger]

Wow drslude, I need you to help me with my behavioral learning class!!!! I think I just read about that study with the rats. Thanks for posting all the detailed info, I enjoyed reading it.

[Chuck]

I dare say, that if the people of this area were to be honest and not take offense and claim up, there is more bare bones rattling in the closets of the homes here, than there is in the grave yards surrounding the town.

I have many "Bare Bones' but the closest door is wide open for all to see. Your post was exceptionally nice but confuses responsibility with safety.

Is this an acceptable risk for you? It was not and will not be my intent to turn this post in to some type of self serving "Moral" battle.

Has nothing to do with moral, has nothing to do with anything other than placing this facility in a safe location.

If I where against the Facility and I wanted it out of the area that would be one issue, but that is not the issue.

! person made a post with negative comments and you are assuming the rest of us for the same opinion. That is there opinion and choice and they are allowed to have that opinion.

This post is Sole based on location and the reason stated is safety of children while parents are at work.

I side with everyone that wants the rehab center but I do not side with that location.

Using you own words, "Putting the center out of sight". This chosen location does just that. However it places it to near a school making it an unsafe location.

Sorry someone upset you all with a negative comment. But I would like to try and resolve this by a solution as opposed to a terminology debate however negative the terminology is.

[Foxy]

I agree Chuck. And as I also said this post is not "Are addicts that way by choice or circumstance" But "How do you feel about a Drug Rehab Facility close to 2 schools"
On that topic.. I feel it is a "High Risk...Low Reward" situation, only because of it's location. I have been around to alot of cities too. I am actually from a large town...Orando...to be excact. And there they have learned not to put a facility like this near a school, after a "patient" WALKED away from a secure facility and killed 3 students and 2 teachers...because he "thought" they were talking and laughing at him while he was at the rehab. (They were playing on the playground)

Also, Kentucky cannot keep CONVICTED criminals in a jail, (I think it is Blackurn?) These are people who are supposed to be watched, and yet they WALKED away from jail numerous times! If we can't keep criminals in a jail, how the heck are we supposed to keep addicts there if they are there volunterily?

[annieap]

I see that there is several persons who suffer from the illness labeled," Small Town Ville". For those of you who has never ventured out beyond the shores of this small pond called "Maysville", life isn't perfect.
I am not originally from Maysville and do not suffer from your hypothetical illness.

Being an example for your children is important, so look closely into your mirrows tonight and see if you can say without a doubt, "I'm a good example".
I can take that challenge and honestly say YES, I am a good example for my kids. Neither my husband nor I drink or take drugs, not even on occassion. Alcoholic beverages are not allowed in my home. My kids take priority in my life because they ARE my life. Which is one of the reasons why I am not comfortable with a rehabilitation center located in close proximity of the intermediate school and community college.

[Eddie]

I assure you lone wolf, I've traveled to 30 + of the states, and into Canada many times, and it really dosen't make a diffrence, druggies are druggies no matter where you go. People are addicts by choice period. To say poor little Billy is an addict because his mommy and daddy were, is simply an easy way out. If you think for one minute that parents who use drugs in front of their kids aren't bad parents, you are the one suffering from "small town ville. Little Billy is an addict because he choose to be.
Now let me clerify two things, which perhaps I misdirected in my earlier post.

1. I do not care for drug addicts or drunks, or for the choices they have made. They are a finanical strain on society, they have helped weaken our country, and they have killed thousands of innocent people in automobile accidents. What I did not mean to suggest is that I don't care for anyone who has ever made a mistake. Mistakes are something we all do from time to time.

2. My comment about posting my name was not meant as a challenge to those who do not, I was simply stating that I post my name, because I belive in my thoughts, and am willing to let you know how, and what I believe. When Chuck came to my house to help me get my PC set up, he cautioned me against using my real name, which was likely good advice. However, I believe that if you have something to say, you should be man enough to say it.

We all make choices everyday. Some are good, some are bad, but they are ours to make, and we have to live with them. In addition, we have to fix them and not expect some couch doctor to listen to our problems, pat us on the hand and say "don't worry, it's not your fault, you screwed up because of your mommy and daddy".

3, Yes I do judge people by the way they dress and present themselves. If someone dresses like a gang member, I judge them as such, if someone dresses gothic, I judge them as such, if someone dresses preppy, I also judge them as such. People dress to make a statement about their personality, or to attemp to signify who they are (or are trying to be). If you don't want to be judged a gang member, don't dress like it. if you don't want to be judged gothic, don't dress like it. But don't wear gothic clothes and then get upset with me because I think you're "gothic".

Now back to the topic at hand.
I simply don't think my tax dollar should go to taking care of someone's bad choice. And if it does, it sure shouldn't be spent so close to our kids school.
Now, I'm tired of this topic, and conced the fact that the drug center is going to be built next to the school, and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
I will finish this post by simply saying, for the sake of the children, I pray this is one topic I am dead wrong on, and nothing ever happens to an innocent child, god bless them all.

Thanks for the debate, and please do not be offended by my thoughts, as I'm not offended by yours.

[mark]

How can you guys summarily judge people like that? To think that all "druggies" are worthless and do not warrant any help????? It's this kind of attitude of intolerance and prejudice that lets this problem accumulate and destroy lives!!!! You want to take them out and shoot them like they are rabid dogs???? Do you think the same way of the upper class when they are alcoholics or coke addicts, or is it just the lower classes you feel that way about? That's all I've got to say. I'm very sad and disappointed about some of the posts.

...............I see some folks here talking about the "druggies" & that's OK with me. I see the problem as a habit & not a disease--but that's another thread.
I think the real thinking behind this thread is.......the location of the rehab center. Regardless of where they build it, it will be job security for someone out there.

Also, I'll add..............I'm almost the lone wolf here against the "Sunday Sales" here in Maysville. Yes, I'm against it but as usual, others follow the money trail & won out. The city will cave in because they always follow the money trail. Oh well, I guess someone has to be a lone wolf.
You can read all about it here:

http://www.maysvillekybbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3527&page=1&pp=15

I'll say this before I go........
When they do get the Sunday sales here, please hurry up & build this rehab center.
It will have plenty more customers............see ya mark

[snowtiger]

I got a solution and this is the last thing I'll say on this topic. They can move out here on our land in the woods, that way I can charge rent, parking fee, and get a job there whenever I graduate with my psychology degree. WHOOOOHOOOOOOO

[GirlColumbo]

the reason for the rehab goes along with having one period. NO IT SHOULD NOT BE NEAR ANY SCHOOL!!!! I am in total agreement with that.

Yes i guess i tend to judge people by the way they dress also. I see a man in a suit and that is what i see him as: a suit...............are you not a suit? well i guess i should have taken the time to get to know you first hugh?

hmm i always thought a man in cloth was a Godly man.......................well dang o pete if that dress code dont mean he will molest little boys.............geez i wish i had gotten to know him a lot better

that officer who is supposed to up hold the law...............why i thought he was a law abiding citizen.....................

you see not everyone who dresses the part always plays the part, so judge not and ye shall not be judged.

[Foxy]

AMEN COLUMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am judged all the time, but if you knew me, the real me, then you might relize that I am actually quiet knowledgable.

Many people who know me here will tell you that all though my outward appearance might shock, I am still intellegent no matter what you see on the outside.
I am still a mom, still college educated, and still going to Vet school!
Even if I was naked, my intellenge wouldn't change. (I might be crazy though)

And for the drug rehab, i wrote my city officials and I hope you will too!


Ok I am done with this post it keeps going off track. I spoke my piece, now I will **poof B gone** (maybe lol, I can't decide)

[lone wolf]

Last statement on this issue and the I will leave it alone.

First off as stated by not only one but a few persons, a addict isn't made by choice. It is a know fact that it's a break down in the human genes that leads to a person having an addictive personality and nothing more. Now the addictive personality is not limited to just drugs or alcohol, it can even be a eating disorder. Now what triggers this addictive personality can vary from person to person and sometimes it can be figured out, sometimes it can't.

Second, I stated that parents are the role models of their children. So yes, if parents are using drugs in front of their children, then they are bad parents.

Third, social drinking is a norm for the big part of America. It's when the social turns to excess that the trouble sets in. Parents who do drink social, need to explain the difference to their children, not hide it. Enough said on that note. now to the issues that started this debate.

1.) Maysville has a need for the rehab center
2.) Location is a consideration

Charter Ridge in Lexington is over flowing with persons seeking help, strangely enough it is located amid private housing, business and yes schools. People can check in on their own or be ordered there by the courts. But once they are checked in, they just cannot freely walk out. The main doorways are self locking and persons have to be buzzed, in order for the doors to be released. The center has a full staff 24/7, which means security is always on duty. Plus they are wired directly into the city police, if outside help is needed.

The mental hospital in Paris, is located within a school area as well and the above restrictions apply there as well.

The rehab center in Georgetown is also located within a school zone as well as a public park area.

So I would suggest if the person or persons leading the opposition to the rehab location in Maysville would take the time and contact these above mentioned rehab centers, they might gain insight as to any threats that might have occured with these units. Then post their findings on this site or in the local paper for the whole city to see.

Yes addicts are a drain on the pocket book, but not all addicts choose to be. Some will never change and will die from their addiction. Some can be helped, but again for any form of therapy to work, the person receiving it must want it.

[Foxy]

So I would suggest if the person or persons leading the opposition to the rehab location in Maysville would take the time and contact these above mentioned rehab centers, they might gain insight as to any threats that might have occured with these units. Then post their findings on this site or in the local paper for the whole city to see.

Thanks lone wolf, that is a great idea.
I have done this already. I went to Charter Ridge in Lexington, and in Bourbon County Compcare. I called the 2 above, and stopped in there. There was not much security needed for me to enter or leave. (I know you all think I am crazy, but I go to Lexington quiet often anyway so I decided to stop and ask)
First they are not allowed to tell you if they have had any "situations". Second, if they did why would they tell me?


I lived in Lexingotn when Charter Ridge was put there. It was supposed to be thier "head quarters" not an actual rehab center. It was the only reason that there was not oppostion to it. It changed from office to rehab AFTER they got permits to be an office.




Regardless, of those communities, this one is mine. I don't know thier situation, ut ours is one where we can still have a voice. This center has not broken ground, so it is not set "in concrete" (pun inteneded) that this is the location.

[GirlColumbo]

after going back and reading some of the post i want to say my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one to any type of addiction. in no way have i meant to make light of a situation as that. each and every opinion is respected since we all have many reasons for why we feel the way we do. it is one reason i like to visit the bbs.

[Foxy]

i want to say my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one to any type of addiction. in no way have i meant to make light of a situation as that. each and every opinion is respected since we all have many reasons for why we feel the way we do. it is one reason i like to visit the bbs.


DITTO!!!

[anb_swrk]

I work at Comprehend and know first hand it is NOT "just about the money"- there is an ignorance in our community about the true need of such a facility. Parents are worried about the addicts walking over to the school and bothering their children, and going as far as saying they will remove their children from the school system. A little food for thought -- think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, sitting at the stop light next to you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart, stop driving? I didn't think so! If this were your child who needed the rehab, a family member... would you change your mind?

[kybikertrash]

anb swrk, nice post! So many people have no idea how bad drug abuse is in this community. Rich, poor, old and young. I worry about my children and I can't say that they will not do drugs but even at their young ages I talk to them about the evils of drug abuse.

I was the victim of an abuction by a man who was wasted on drugs. My family have also been the victims of a home invasion, also the work of two (maybe three) men on drugs. It will only get worse if something isn't done, and every community needs to pull together to fight this "war on drugs". The location may be bad idea, but a rehab center is not.

Funny, I use the term "war on drugs", a phrase I think may be the work of Nancy Reagan (or Ronald) 20 years ago. Drug use has increased remarkably since the start of the "war on drugs".

Wonder where the "war on terror" will find us in 20 years? Something to think about!

[Daphne]

I work at Comprehend and know first hand it is NOT "just about the money"- there is an ignorance in our community about the true need of such a facility. Parents are worried about the addicts walking over to the school and bothering their children, and going as far as saying they will remove their children from the school system. A little food for thought -- think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, sitting at the stop light next to you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart, stop driving? I didn't think so! If this were your child who needed the rehab, a family member... would you change your mind?


No ignorance here about the need for the facility in our community.

The only thing that doesn't seem to be getting across, is location, location, location.

Say it with me know L O C A T I O N

I am not saying that there are not addicts walking around with me at Wal-Mart. At least my children are in my custody and under my supervision. (hmmm 1 parent 2 children = acceptable risk) But as parents you have to put trust in your school system.

If the center is built on Martha Comer near the new Intermediate school. My children at school with a teacher I hardly know.
(hmmm, 1 teacher 20 plus kids = unpleasant risk)

Troubled people walking (trudging) near and by the school as they please, with little to no supervision. (hmmmm, X number trouble people, hundreds of 9, 10, and 11 year olds hardly supervised = unacceptable risk)

[acoolmom777]

I totally agree the problem is location…I have seen the good that rehab centers do but I have also seen the ones that are placed in the wrong location and what that does happen in the surrounding area. The only reason that they want it there is because it’s free (so to speak).

The main reason I moved to Kentucky was for my kid. I didn’t want to raise mine in an area where he had to walk through a metal detector and be body searched every morning before going to class at his elementary school. I didn’t like having a business where I wondered if this customer was going to pull out a gun and shot me. I got tired of having to carry my own gun to do the banking.

I came from a small town on the east coast of Florida, I lived there on and off, when we were transferred back to the states, finally my dad got stationed at McDill AFB ( about 40 miles from our town) and it became our home. It was a great place to raise kids. Everyone knew everyone else. Then a drug rehab center was built, not more then 3 miles away. And the drugs came rolling in. By the time I was 12 years old, I seen over half a dozen classmates die from OD. I remember that there were stickers being passed out in school that was laced with LSD. They traced it back to an employee that worked at the rehab, (which happen to be less then 1.7 miles from our school) he had gotten them from a connection of a girl doing mandatory rehab that had be shipped from a town 20 miles away, then a few more years passed and a new shipping port was built, about 25 miles from our town. It brought a lot of needed jobs, but it also allowed the drug industry to grow more quickly. By the time I was 16 years old, I had seen many of my friends go into drug rehab at our local center. Some came out clean and went on to live very productive lives with lessons well learned. Others were “unfixable” because they didn’t want to be “fixed” they just wanted a place to stay and recover from a bad high, and when set free or other needs arise then they left the rehab to resorted to whatever means to get their next “fix”. ( If you turned yourself in for “self-help”, you had no time zone to be at the rehab).
On my best friends 17th birthday, I took her to lunch at the local hang out then as we were walking down the strip mall, I seen a shirt in a store window, that I knew she would love. I told her to wait right outside the store and I would be right back. She was starting to sit on the parking lot curb to have a cigarette as I looked back at her…. when I came out she was gone. Long story short…the next time I seen her, it was in police pictures, she had been beaten and hang up to be used as a bow target. Two guys and one girl hopped up on some of the most pure coke, the police chief had ever seen in those parts of Florida and come to find out, they had been released from the drug rehab center just two days earlier for the seventh time. When the investigation was over, the drug rehab and the port was shut down and listed as one of the largest drug ring bust in southern Florida.

A fluke maybe…but would any of my classmates that died had they lived would they have been the one to make a great difference in our world???… a real life “hit to home”, it is….It took a long time for me to get over my best friends death. I thought maybe if I just wouldn’t have stopped and got her the birthday present…would she be alive today. She wanted to be a chemist, would she had been the one to find the cure to the common cold???

You might be wondering what this really has to do with the rehab center…LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION…..put the **** thing out in the boonies, so far back in the firkin woods that it is a 2 day travel on foot to get there, and NOT AROUND OUR KIDS.

I to have wrote letters and made phone calls…. all I get is….”yes ..we understand your concern”.
I tell you what, if a petition was signed by the parents of the children that will be attending that school was presented to the school board, I bet a few things may come to light, or maybe the “perk test” on the land won’t past…(just an example)
But if or when this does go through, the city better plan on more police officers....we will need them.

[tiger_n2_dragon]

A little food for thought -- think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, sitting at the stop light next to you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart, stop driving? I didn't think so! If this were your child who needed the rehab, a family member... would you change your mind?

I totally agree with you on your point as quoted above. How ever I think you have failed to realize the importance of where a facility like this should be located. My concern with this location is the relation between drugs, achohol, and child abuse. NOT saying that all who "USE" are child abusers nor all child abusers "USE", but the two are linked more so than none. IF someone has a problem like this, WHY would you put such a person as this, with in harms reach of innocent children? Secondly, everyone knows the possibilities of what could happen, so WHY even take that chance?

[acoolmom777]

Originally Posted by anb_swrk
A little food for thought -- think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, sitting at the stop light next to you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart, stop driving? I didn't think so! If this were your child who needed the rehab, a family member... would you change your mind?

But I am with my child during those times.....We are talking about a time and place they we are intrusting are childs life in the hands of a teacher with a large class number and a school stuff of what 15 maybe.....big difference.

[dpolley]

Face the facts; the bleeding hearts that see this rehab center as a blessing don't care where it goes. Most have a personal (dare I say financial?) stake in this center, and they know that if there is any trouble with the center, they could lose a lucrative windfall (city and their taxes) or maybe not have a job due to the center being moved to another city. Bottom line, unless enough people raise a stink, and keep complaining until the city and Comprehend find another location, all of the parental concern in the world won't change the fact that this center is going to open for business. Keep in mind that if anything would happen to a student or teacher of the schools it would be too late, and the families affected would have nothing more than kind words from the people responsible for letting this rehab center open. "We're so sorry for your loss" and "We do everything we can not to let this happen" don't mean a lot when you're looking for your missing child or burying a loved one.

[Foxy]

Location, location, location is correct.

The paris, Kentucky mental hospital is a LOCKED DOWN FACILITY, they cannot come and go as they please, as they will do here.


I wouldn’t allow my children to ride the bus when I lived on East 6th (just up from the Mill Bar) because it was an unacceptable risk for them to go walking through that neighborhood.


I agree with coolmom, I too moved here for the peace of mind. In Lexington ky, the students walk through metal dectetors, and are not allowed to have a back back unless it is clear, you have to be able to see what is in it. The same goes for the girls with purses they have to be clear.


I remember the “DRUG BUST” in Florida, and she is right that town was a quiet town a lot like Maysville if I remember right.


So when do we start a petition? Im In for sure!!

[Chuck]

I work at Comprehend and know first hand it is NOT "just about the money"- there is an ignorance in our community about the true need of such a facility. Parents are worried about the addicts walking over to the school and bothering their children, and going as far as saying they will remove their children from the school system. A little food for thought -- think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, sitting at the stop light next to you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart, stop driving? I didn't think so! If this were your child who needed the rehab, a family member... would you change your mind?


I would go as far to say that 70% of Maysville crime is more than likely drug related. I do not believe a Rehab Center will "Fix This" but is will help people that what to be helped.

I am a firm believer that kids stop being kids when they commit violent crimes.

I concede that people with an addiction problem shop at Wal-Mart and that we shop right along side them. I am confused how this justifies the location chosen next to 2 local area schools. Take away the school factor and location is not a problem as the results of this are showing.

What we are asking is that you choose a different location.

We are asking that you listen to the cries of the people of this community and not add any additional stress to our everyday lives. I believe this is a Comprehend Inc. Goal.

We ask that you choose a location that is better acceptable by the people of the community.

We are saying "work with us and for us" like every business tries. Show us that you are willing to help us and our community.

You can build it there and our cries will fade, maybe. But you will add a bad taste in the communities mouth about Comprehend Inc.

[ponto]

I work at Comprehend and know first hand..................... think about how many addicts are walking around wal-mart with you, will you stop shopping at wal-mart? I didn't think so!

Let's say just for fun, you pull in the Wal Mart parking lot with your kids, and parked right in front of the door are three large buses carrying 100 male drug addicts, and you watch as they unload and trudge into the store.

What would you and your family do?

1-Go right on in with them? And feel just as safe as yesterday.

2-Postpone your shopping until they are gone?

3-Never shop at Wal Mart again?

picture credit (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.daap.org.uk/gifs/womensday/bus.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daap.org.uk/womensday.html&h=230&w=390&sz=19&tbnid=OvN6Me7No2UJ:&tbnh=70&tbnw=120&hl=en&start=17&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddrug%2Bbus%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26l r%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26sa%3DG)

[anb_swrk]

I understand that LOCATION is the main problem... if you have land "out in the frikin' woods" that you would like to donate... please by all means do so.

I am not trying to be insensitive to these parents, I do hear their cries... I was upset at the comments saying that it was based on money, and employees didn't care. I do apologize if it seemed insensitive.

I work directly with these kids in the schools... and care, it's not about the money!!

[acoolmom777]

I understand that LOCATION is the main problem... if you have land "out in the frikin' woods" that you would like to donate... please by all means do so.

I am not trying to be insensitive to these parents, I do hear their cries... I was upset at the comments saying that it was based on money, and employees didn't care. I do apologize if it seemed insensitive.

I work directly with these kids in the schools... and care, it's not about the money!!

We never said we didn't care about the kids or the people that need rehab, in fact I think we all agree if the “help” is out there for the people that need it, and use it for the good it will provide…then that is a great thing.

LOCATION is about money, if they can get the land without the county having to pay for it, then that will look good in their “portfolio” that they have to show for other financing. The less they spend on the land the more they will have for the center. That would look good on the financed end. Oh wait that’s right it will come out of our pockets anyway it goes. So therefore we (as tax payers) should have a major say in where this rehab is located.

I know… how about some of the vacant building the county owns, maybe one that is close to the police station and courthouse and lawyer’s offices, and etc. Or why don’t they take one of the warehouses and turn it into the rehab??? Let them buy the Techno Trim building…or the big building that has been for rent out by State Electric.

And we do care about the kids…our kids too…the ones that we work directly with each day to make sure that are kept safe from harm…and that is “our job”.

[anb_swrk]

I'm not going to argue about who cares who doesn't... I never said you didn't care... I was saying that ppl in general made it sound like Comprehend didnt care about kids. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Either way, whatever your opinion... It is going to be a sore point either way it goes.

[Chuck]

I'm not going to argue about who cares who doesn't... I never said you didn't care... I was saying that ppl in general made it sound like Comprehend didnt care about kids. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Either way, whatever your opinion... It is going to be a sore point either way it goes.

Lets work for no sore points on either side. I personally would like to work on a solution. Arguing will get us now where. I find the "Money Trail" argument insulting.

In an earlier post you said you would be willing to consider a different location is it fell into a certain criteria. I would like to extend an offer of my time and resources to help you find a location that is suitable for both sides.

[dpolley]

[QUOTE=Chuck]Lets work for no sore points on either side. I personally would like to work on a solution. Arguing will get us now where. I find the "Money Trail" argument insulting.

While I respect your opinion Chuck, I don't agree with it. If there wasn't a monetary benefit to this center, local government wouldn't want it, and that's a fact.

[acoolmom777]

While I respect your opinion Chuck, I don't agree with it. If there wasn't a monetary benefit to this center, local government wouldn't want it, and that's a fact.

True...

[ponto]

Instead of sprawling out on Martha Comer Drive, the construction funds for the proposed Drug Rehabilitation Center can be used to preserve and rehab the Jones school buildings into a very useful and modern drug treatment facility which would be within three blocks of Comprehend Inc. headquarters. Perhaps the drug treatment professionals inside the facility will observe drug activities in the area as they are coming and going to the site and have suggestions to local police for drug curbing procedures.

read more (http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2005/11/11/opinion/local_columns/191drug.txt)

[Foxy]

Instead of sprawling out on Martha Comer Drive, the construction funds for the proposed Drug Rehabilitation Center can be used to preserve and rehab the Jones school buildings into a very useful and modern drug treatment facility which would be within three blocks of Comprehend Inc. headquarters.

AMEN...AMEN...AMEN....

I second that motion.

[Sassie Mama]

Sounds good to me!!!

[acoolmom777]

Instead of sprawling out on Martha Comer Drive, the construction funds for the proposed Drug Rehabilitation Center can be used to preserve and rehab the Jones school buildings into a very useful and modern drug treatment facility which would be within three blocks of Comprehend Inc. headquarters. Perhaps the drug treatment professionals inside the facility will observe drug activities in the area as they are coming and going to the site and have suggestions to local police for drug curbing procedures.

read more (http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2005/11/11/opinion/local_columns/191drug.txt)

Great idea...that is all we are saying...there are other location spots that are out there and could even be a better placement for the center.

[kybikertrash]

Putting a drug rehab in the Jones school building would be worse than Martha Comer Drive. Obviously people in favor of this idea have never drove down Forest Ave. on a weekend night to see the kids that are hanging out on that area without parental supervision.

Some of these kids are young and apparently have parents who really don't care where there kids are after dark.

These are the kind of kids a drug dealer preys on and with a re-hab facility right there the drug dealers will be out in full force to try to sell to the people who are coming and going to the center, and the dealers will have lots of new kids to sell to also.

I don't live in that area, but if I did I would not want it there. Too many houses and too much population to put it there, plus a lot of kids with no supervision and too much free time.

[acoolmom777]

That is why we need more police and what ever happen to the cops that walk a beat.....time for a come back

[anb_swrk]

I totally agree that putting it in Jones would not be the best option. However, it is good to see new ideas and wheels turning on a rational place the community would like the rehab center to go!

[kdown]

This is one of those not in my backyard deals. Most everyone agrees that it is a good idea, just don't put it in my backyard

[Chuck]

Actually it could go in my backyard if they find land to the likings.

I feel Jones is a bad place for this facility. And Yes we need more Police and to initiate a strong Community Oriented Policing Project.


A good location should say "It is not convenient to up and leave here" while saying "I don't feel like I am in jail". This would also increase the success rate.

If someone is "Jones'n'" for a fix and leaves we need to help ensure (by location) that their rights are protected while protecting the rights of the citizens surrounding the facility.

Finding such a place should exists in Maysville it just requires time to find it.

If someone reading this feels they have such a location now is the time to speak up.

Like Ken said location is not going to be easy and will take a community to find the right place. We are going to have to be willing to use some public funds to help with setting up the location as well. (A small sacrifice for ensuing the location is properly in line with the feelings of the community.)

[Giddyup]

[QUOTE=Chuck]
Finding such a place should exists in Maysville it just requires time to find it.

If someone reading this feels they have such a location now is the time to speak up.


Why does there need to be "new construction" for a facility like this?

There are many empty buildings downtown in the East End, namely old tobacco warehouses and former factories (i.e. Carnation), that are unused and in "industrial" settings. Far enough away from schools/playgrounds. Would be a good use of the property, with space and would serve to revitalize some architecture. Could possibly save money and help with location.

My .02.

[Giddyup]

PS - It's also closer to the Maysville PD

[uprivergirl]

Below is a copy of an e-mail I received from Mr. Johnny Mains. I have always respected Mr. Mains' opinions and feel that he has always tried his best to serve our city. If I am reading it right, the site for the rehab center HAS to be built on city-owned and city-donated property. Therefore, the use of the Jones School or any of the other mentioned properties could not be done unless the city purchases them or they are donated to the city. The only other city-owned property, which I have read about being at least considered, is property out by Mitsubishi. That was turned down because of lack of electricity. What!!?? Is KU no longer running electrical service to new constructions??:confused: There has to be a better place somewhere in this town for this project.

Sorry that I am so slow replying to your
e-mail. I do not type well and I have put you off.
Your concerns are justified about the location of the
rehabilitation center. I, like you, think one is
needed in Maysville. When the issue first surfaced,
the only way that it could come about was if the city
would donate a building site. That particular property
was the only one the city owned that was acceptable.
At that time, I did not think it was close enough to
the new school to present a problem. I have not
changed my mind about that but I can understand your
concern. The issue of a rehabilitation center and the
location was aired at a public hearing but like most
public hearings, although it was advertised, they fly
below most peoples radar. The city probably cannot
withdraw its offer of the site now. The project has
been put on hold for the time being because of the
price of building materials. At least that is the last
word that I have heard. If you would walk the distance
between the two sites you might not be quite as
alarmed but I am sure it would not change your
thinking. I really appreciate your input and wish that
I would have had it sooner. If there are any further
developments on the project that are not in the paper
I will pass them along to you.
Thanks,
Johnny Mains

[ponto]

Great Post,
I wish we could hear more from our elected officials.

[ponto]

With all this conversation about the proposed drug center being a wonderful thing, that will help alot of people, it is interesting to note, that when push comes to shove, for some, it is all about the money.

After several failed attempts to locate a 100-bed substance abuse recovery center for men, Mac McArthur, said:

I just can't help but say that it was pretty painful to have to turn back $3.2 million to the state just because we couldn't find two acres of dirt,".

"It makes for a gloomy Christmas, but we hope to have a happy New Year."

[mark]

After several failed attempts to locate a 100-bed substance abuse recovery center for men, Mac McArthur, said:

I just can't help but say that it was pretty painful to have to turn back $3.2 million to the state just because we couldn't find two acres of dirt,".
[/B]

.............I can't imagine city & county officials allowing even a dollar to go back to the state let alone 3.2 mil.

Somehow.......I see this place getting built someday regardless of what the public thinks..............see ya mark

[Foxy]

I missed something? So right now, it is not going to be built?

[ponto]

After several failed attempts to locate a 100-bed substance abuse recovery center for men in Covington, Mac McArthur, executive director of Transitions, said the search will continue for a workable site in the state's northernmost counties.

[ponto]

Drug-treatment officials thought they had found a good site for a 100-bed treatment center at Florence Baptist Church's building on Main Street, which nonprofit Transitions Inc. hoped to buy for $2.5 million.

But community opposition mounted against that site - and if an acceptable location isn't found by Friday, the $3.2 million grant Transitions would have used for the center will go back to Frankfort, said Transitions executive director Mac McArthur.

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[Foxy]

YEAH!!
We did it?!?!?!

[Daphne]

YEAH!!
We did it?!?!?!


Foxy are you having trouble with Mad Cow today? LOL j/k I believe they are still on track for the center here, or at least I haven't heard anything else. But the one that Ponto was referring too was in Florence, KY.

[Foxy]

I was being sarcastic...lol... the point being that if they can use their voice to have one NOT built so can Maysville!!
But that could have been a correct observation in a different situation...LOL!!

[gambler]

I say let northern ky have the center, keep all the drugheads out of the area. We don't need it. All it will do is bring in more crime. Nobody made them addicts except themselves. Just a money thing for Comprehend, someone will get a high-paying job at the tax payers expense.

[ponto]

A proposed project in Maysville missed a deadline to apply for start-up funds from the Federal Home Loan Bank, but is expected to apply again this year, said Williams.

Maysville's Comprehend, a mental health agency, wants to open a Recovery Center for men on city-owned land in an industrial area near the Maysville Community and Technical College.

The kind of opposition that Transitions (in Covington) has run up against is unusual, said Mark Williams, branch manager for public services in the Governor's Office for Local Development, one of three partner agencies overseeing the Recovery Kentucky project.

The others are the Kentucky Housing Corp. and the state Department of Corrections.



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