Who's to blame for the HIGH gas prices??

[mark]

....................yes, my friends, who gets the blame??

Well, I blame George Bush, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, members of Congress, environmental wachos, the ACLU & a whole lot of others that only cares about one thing--------------getting re-elected.


When someone in the past wants to drill in Alaska, the environmental wackos & the ACLU stops it, when someone wants to open a refinery, the local public & politicians cries fowl & now that the price is high, politicians like Algore are finally getting what they have wished for--less driving.

After all, extreme liberals claims the internal combustion engine is the greatest danger in this world. They are getting their wish because I'm certainly driving less.

Where am I going with this??

..........None of the politicians has the *G U T S* to do what's right, drill at home & get rid of the middle east dependence.

So, here's the question:

Just how much higher does the gas price have to climb before the liberals & environmental wackos will stand aside & let the driiling begin??.......see ya mark

[Jeremy]

When has the ACLU been involved in oil drilling?

[tkcomer]

Big Oil has the most direct involvement with this. They have killed every initiative to wean us off crude oil. But they had a lot of help from our congress that allowed mergers to take out refineries that we now desperately need. Remember shale rock? Big oil killed it. Alcohol? Big oil killed that. They said, no matter what you come up with, we WILL produce gas cheaper. Over 30 years later, after our first big shock, they have us in their grips. It hasn’t been that long ago that the natural gas companies wanted congress to give tax breaks to people who converted their cars over. Because we have more gas than we know what to do with. They did get a law changed that allowed utilities to build gas fired peaking plants because we had this electricity shortage. The price of gas went from $4 a cubic foot to $6. Because, they said, the power plants were using it. Enron collapsed. There was no energy shortage and those peaking plants fell silent. Natural gas did not come down. Now, just a few short years later, we have a shortage. With friends like this bunch, why are we overseas making more enemies?

[Groundhog]

If other forms of energy had been developed...solar for example, then the only groups that would have actually needed oil products in large amounts would have been the military. But, greedy conservatives killed much of the early attempts for alternative forms of energy in favor of their friends in the oil business. So actually, conservatives are to blame for this mess. But when you have plenty of money, 3 or 4 dollars for a gallon of gas isn't no big deal. This problem actually goes deeper than this, it actually goes back to about 60 A.D. The world has been going downhill ever since.

[tkcomer]

I just got this joke in. The reason we are low on oil is no one checked the level in the oilfields. The dipsticks are all in Washington, DC.

[ponto]

It has been proven as fact that China's increased use of oil has caused the oil market to change from the US to China, this increase in demand and the money to pay for it is driving up the price of oil.

Consumer goods from China, being bought by all us americans at a cheap price feeds the China economy.

I hope all you Wal Mart Shoppers are saving enough money to pay for the gas in your SUVs and other vehicles.

If all of America stopped buying "unnecessary" items made in China their economy would slow down and then we would get cheap gas again.

Of course their option would be to invade the US, a turn us into a communist country and we would have to buy all their stuff or die.

Do you feel like you are being held hostage?????

[tkcomer]

China does use a lot of oil due to our politicians allowing trade with a country that is hostile to us. And in a few years, they won’t have to invade because they are now financing OUR government’s spending spree. Just wait for a while and they will tell our politicians how things will be. Because we owe them so much money. Don’t believe it? We owe Japan billions. Just a few months ago, we tried to demand that Japan drop their ban on our beef. They rattled our stock market by just mentioning that they would sell our bonds at a discount rate, turning our dollar to crap. The Bush administration, in a rare display of admitting they overstepped their bounds, issued an apology to the Japanese. That was not something you saw on the front page of any newspaper. Or the evening news. You had to look in the business section. This whole mess is more than oil.

[Eddie]

Folks,
In reality, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Perfect example, tonight while driving home from work, I'm stoped at the AA and 11 intersection, right beside me is a brand new SUV with a temp tag in the window. Who in their ight mind buys an SUV with gas at $3.19 a gallon? The bottom line, as long as we demand it (gas) they will sock it to us.
Here's my take, let's tell Iraq, Isreal, Libia, and all our other "friends" in the middle east that we'll be glad to pay $70 a barrel for oil, but our loaf of bread now cost $25.00 a loaf. We'll than see oil at $35.00 a barrel.
But since our leaders don't have the guts, or have too much financial stake in the oil companies to do that, there's nothing we can do, short of finding the smallest vehicle we can, and driving as little as we can to change the price. When the oil companies have the crap sitting on the production floor, and we're not using it, they'll have no choice but to drop the price. I predict $4.00 + by October, any takers?

I do agree with the China issue, if it says made in China....leave it on the rack.

[mark]

...............dudes, you'll probably beat me up for saying this one but "what the hay" I've been beat up before.

I like the alternative solutions mentioned here but you're leaving out one thing.
The oil ompanies & Detroit doesn't want these changes & will quickly "buy" up these designs & shelve them. You would too if you were a auto or oil executive.




..........None of the politicians has the *G U T S* to do what's right, drill at home & get rid of the middle east dependence.


.......................with 25% of U.S. oil coming from here & the rest from overseas, I still say the above statement is true. I also agree with Eddie about pricing.

Overseas oil cost about $4.00 per barrel to produce & they are selling it for $70. Well, a loaf of bread costs about $150 to produce. Simply match the prices of our goods being shipped overseas to theirs & you'll see a "change" of heart -- quickly!!

Fair play is fair play..............see ya mark

[kdown]

Current New York prices ( they seem to change hourly )

Reg 3.36
Super 3.80

Diesel Fuel 3.07

[tkcomer]

In the utility industry, if it is still regulated by the state, you to have a reserve margin of 10%. That’s in case something goes wrong with one of your own plants, or others. That way there is no shortage. I’ve not seen one government big whig call for at least a little oversight to the oil companies. With just a little oversight, they would be forced to use some of their profits to build refineries. There is no incentive for them to build. If a refinery shuts down for whatever reason, the others cry shortage and prices shoot up. Nor have I heard any talk of alternative fuel being used to reduce our dependency on crude. Domestic or imported. Veggie oil and alcohol can be blended with other fuels. And if the stories are true, alcohol alone would drop crude oil use by 10%. There is a plant right here in KY that can produce alcohol for $1.49 a gallon. But Big Oil has resisted furiously from using it. It reduces their profits since THEY don’t refine it. Only when forced to use it by certain areas do they blend it in. But it will take government intervention to start this process. And the potato heads in Washington refuse to do it. It’s going to take a new crop to get this done.

[Jeremy]

And the potato heads in Washington refuse to do it.

You can, in fact, make biodiesel out of potatos. :) (That was my daily attempt at lame humor)

[tkcomer]

I wonder what the restaurants do with their fryer oil? I wonder if they would give it away? I only use about 150 gallons of diesel a year. But if I spend the money to build a machine to make bio-diesel, the restaurants would probably cut me off. I’d like to find that $1.49 a gallon alcohol close by. I could convert my old Jeep to run on that.

[RHP Studios]

I wonder what the restaurants do with their fryer oil? I wonder if they would give it away? I only use about 150 gallons of diesel a year. But if I spend the money to build a machine to make bio-diesel, the restaurants would probably cut me off. I’d like to find that $1.49 a gallon alcohol close by. I could convert my old Jeep to run on that.

a friend of mine in cincy, oh has a diesel truck that burns vegetable oil with some conversion. The restaurants give it to him for free. He regularly stops at 3 or 4 a week to get their used oil they would normally have to pay a disposal fee for. Now, when this gets popular, will there be enough used vegetable oil for everyone??? He told me the conversion paid for itself within 6 months.

[Jeremy]

The restaurants give it to him for free... used oil they would normally have to pay a disposal fee for.

Heh... work out a deal where you are disposing it for less than what they normally pay and then you get the fry oil you want, plus the disposal fee that you can use to get the rest of your supplies. Free fuel!

[tkcomer]

I just found out from a guy who works at a bar in Lexington that most restaurants have a container provided to them for free by some company. That company provides the free container as long as the restaurant puts all their oil in it. And would not approve of anyone taking oil out of it. Besides, I don’t use enough diesel to fool with it. If I had a diesel car or truck, it might be worth looking at.

[rhc]

As someone in the restaurant industry I thought I might chime in here and let you know that MOST RESTAURANTS sell their used oil to a rendering plant that takes gives the restaurant a storage tank, picks it up, and then sends the restaurant a check, ( usually for a small amount ). The oil is used in the production of soaps, and creams, and a lot of perfumes.

I agree that if it was more porfitable to sell to an individual than a rendering plant that most restaurants, ( individually owned ), would sell. I'm sure there are rules and regulations covering francise owned restaurants that I don't know about.

[kdown]

New York Gas Price is now above 3.50 in some places
Diesel fuel is 3.07

[annieap]

Most places here have dropped to $2.89 regular unleaded