I'm proud I voted for the RIGHT man.............

[mark]

..............did you check out the economic news in the paper recently??
Yes, my friends, 274,000 new jobs in this most recent report. Looks like the liberal press is "biting" their lips printing this story!

Here's a copy & paste:

The robust jobs report from the Labor Department yesterday offered estimates of job growth that were 93,000 higher in the past three months and brought the monthly average of new jobs to nearly a quarter million.

Here's more:

The dip of 6,000 in manufacturing jobs last month -- primarily in textiles and furniture -- is not "a big deal," he said, while the surge of 47,000 construction jobs is "not surprising given the strength of the housing market."
Other areas of strong growth included 35,000 new jobs in health care and education, 36,000 new positions in professional business services, and 58,000 openings in leisure and hospitality businesses -- particularly food and drinking places.
A frenzy of drilling for oil and gas has pushed up minerals and mining jobs by 31,000 in the past six months, and even the hard-hit telecommunications sector saw job growth of 7,000 last month after 41/2 years of declines.



I read it in the Ledger Saturday but can't find it on their site, so, here's the whole story from elsewhere:

http://www.washtimes.com/business/20050506-093923-9709r.htm

Before you guys "beat" me up by saying these are low paying jobs, please reread the story again.
Finally..........news that dems hates for you to see.

I love those "low" lending rates & tax cuts !!
Thank you George Bush.

Comments?? ...........see ya yardhunter

[Eddie]

Mark,
You and I are normally on the same page, but not on this one my friend. The creation of 58,000 fast food jobs sure does not indicate a strong economy to me. And the construction jobs are obvious, the intrest rates are starting back up, so those who have been on the fence are starting to build before the rates go too high. In 6 months, you will see those 47,000 construction jobs in the jobs lost catagory. This country was built on good paying manufacturing jobs, and the 6,000 lost tells the future. WE NEED "CLINTONOMICS" BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE NOW! The subdivision I live in has three houses on the market. They have been for sale since last summer. They are not over priced, there's just no buyers. You can't buy a home, and raise a family on $5.15 per hour, so I don't care how many of those type jobs you make, it's only hurting the economy. One last thing, I wish someone would tell Little George that not everyone wants to become or has the resources to become a "health care provider". Thats all we hear is how many health care related jobs are being created. you now why, because when people don't work they get over weight which leads to health risk, and there are more people not working everyday. I'm voting for Hillary! Anything will beat what we've got. Come on Mark, work with me on this one.... It's not too late to see the light.

[Eddie]

Mark,
One last thing, below is a quote from the report you mentioned in your post. This tells the 'future" of our Republican lead country.

"Scott Lilly of the liberal Center for American Progress said that while job growth has risen back to historic averages, wage growth remains below par, particularly after taking inflation into account.
Average hourly earnings rose 0.3 percent last month, he noted, but if inflation maintains its recent pace of more than 3 percent, that will leave workers with no gain in purchasing power.
The Republicans "measure success in very different terms than American workers and their families," he said. "Continued success in these terms will have half the country living in poverty in another two decades."

[mark]

Other areas of strong growth included 35,000 new jobs in health care and education, 36,000 new positions in professional business services, and 58,000 openings in leisure and hospitality businesses -- particularly food and drinking places.
A frenzy of drilling for oil and gas has pushed up minerals and mining jobs by 31,000 in the past six months, and even the hard-hit telecommunications sector saw job growth of 7,000 last month after 41/2 years of declines. [/I]


Eddie, I agree you & I are usually on the same page. I like you way of thinking. We have agreed on almost everything mentioned on this awesome forum. Sorry, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm sticking with my guns. I simply refuse to believe the doom & gloom our
so-called fair & biased press feeds us. The above quote is from the article I mentioned & I agree with you the fast food places aren't a place to work if one wants to raise a family.

However, I like to see the cup "half full" instead of "half empty". The other areas like 35ooo health care jobs, 36ooo business jobs are out there. I think if one gets away from the bottom off the economic ladder in regards to education, they will find better employment.
Even Jesus says "the poor will always be amongst us"

Health care, business & specialty work is the future, not manufacturing jobs anymore. They all went to India & Mexico. Those jobs will never get back to the same #'s in the U.S as they were from earlier days.

Sorry Eddie, Hillary really scares me. When a person sets up secret meetings with health care workers & wants to take 1/7th of the U.S. economy & turn it into a "socialized" health care machine, I really get worried. Doing that, the country will be totally broke before your candidate has a chance to get re-elected. Of course the way to solve that is for her is to raise our taxes.

Sorry, the 39% I pay now is high enough for me ..............see ya Mark

[tkcomer]

Here is the way I look at it. Manufacturing overall is way down. Replaced by the service industry, which includes health care. If you don’t make it, you have to import it. If you have to import it, you have now placed yourself at the mercy of another country. And just who do you think is going to pay all those new health care workers when enough jobs that had insurance for their workers have left, or no longer pick up the tab? The government. Which is you and I right now. And as the feds lower taxes, states raise them to make up for the loss. And health care is driving states on the brink of bankruptcy. Because the service industry has in no way made up in income the loss of manufacturing jobs. But hey, if you are a stockholder, that foreign person on the help line should make you feel warm and fuzzy.

[Jeremy]

Health care jobs don't have anything to do with the current administration or politics at all. It's the result of baby boomers getting older. That path was set back around the end of World War II. It wouldn't matter who was in the White House. Boomers would naturally need health care.

[ponto]

Average hourly earnings rose 0.3 percent last month, but if inflation maintains its recent pace of more than 3 percent, that will leave workers with no gain in purchasing power.

The Republicans "measure success in very different terms than American workers and their families,"

Just in case you skipped Eddie's thread......................

[tkcomer]

Health care jobs do have a tie to any administration in office. Who is going to pay these health care workers? We are in a downward spiral now. As more businesses cut health care to “compete globally,” government and the people that do have health care pick up the tab for the uninsured. Insurance goes up and more businesses and people drop insurance because they can’t afford it. The government has to spend more for the new uninsured. And the spiral continues as jobs that used to pay health insurance are replaced by jobs that don’t. This is because of free trade that is not free. You can’t continue to export jobs and raw materials and import finished goods and expect the country to last for very long. Remember how the tech industry was going to save us? We don’t need those factories and their blue collar jobs. Just go to college and study computer science. That imploded as they exported those jobs. The government statistics doesn’t seem to differentiate between a well paying job with insurance and a low wage job without. To them, a job is a job. I got news fer Ya, it ain’t

[Abbey_59]

I have to say on this one that i agree entirely with Eddie.. Way to go Eddie.

[kdown]

I have heard these same arguments for over 40 years. Yet somehow we just keep on keepin.

[acoolmom777]

WE NEED "CLINTONOMICS" BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE NOW!


Roflmbo....Now that is funny...

yes, that is what we need....a President that one of his biggest accompaniments was to bring someone to their knees.... :eek:



Sorry Sorry Sorry...I so could not let that one just pass by... :D lol

[Abbey_59]

i was just making a statement. I do not argue over religion or politics..

[tkcomer]

Ah, but 40 years ago this nation was a lender nation, not a debtor nation. Plus we were a leading exporter, not importer. We were a manufacturing nation. We made all the good stuff that everybody wanted. Now our very own military can’t run without imports. Because we are turning into a service economy. We are making other countries rich while our own health care industry is slowly imploding. Health care has become a huge drag on the government. At all levels. New jobs are important, but they don’t seem to be lightening the load on the government now do they?

[lackocash]

guns or butter....this moron is all about guns ....try and get a loan mark while making $10.00 an hour what a laugh....low interest rates....high fuel prices....bread has gone up.....wood is more money.... concrete is $120.00 a yard (fyi.mark a yard is 3x3 cubic feet) ....doesnt go to far....you make houses out of it....275,000 jobs 300,000,000 people do the math...bush is a joke!!!!!...i am a proud liberal!!!!...liberals protect american jobs....conservatives hold hands with terrorists...have gay bloggers stay the night in the whitehouse...that is my house not some gay prostitute house that bush is using it for....just like micheal jackson...where there is smoke...there is gay love

[mark]

i am a proud liberal!!!!...liberals protect american jobs....conservatives hold hands with terrorists...have gay bloggers stay the night in the whitehouse...that is my house not some gay prostitute house that bush is using it for....just like micheal jackson...where there is smoke...there is gay love

I can't believe what I'm reading........
Are you in favor of $$ over good morals? Gay love??? "Don't ask, don't tell" policy? White House interns w/Clinton?? Paula Jones?? Monica, Jennifer & Kathleen too?? and Michael Jackson is your hero??

When the President is involved in this type of lifestyle as Clinton was, you get just what you deserve........a flaming liberal that cares ONLY about himself & his "legacy"

If the liberals are out to "protect" Americans & their jobs as you say, why are the liberal dems always wanting to raise your taxes??

Isn't the 39% to 40% taxes you pay enough??

If not, how much higher should they be?? ..........see ya Mark

[acoolmom777]

ok my turn...
try and get a loan mark while making $10.00 an hour what a laugh....low interest rates....

Well I only make a dollar more then that per hour and I just...refinanced my house and dropped over 2 points, got a hefty equity balance, bought a new 2005 truck and we are starting to remodel...so your point being?


high fuel prices....bread has gone up.....wood is more money.... concrete is $120.00 a yard

I am 43 years old and we (americans) have griped about high product prices forever...nothing new.

bush is a joke!!!!!...i am a proud liberal!!!!...liberals protect american jobs....

Well, proud liberal dude...your "protection for american jobs" isn't working, so you might what to change your thoughts on where you stand on that issue.


Not even going to touch the "Gay" issue...to each is own on that one.

[mark]

...............well said coolmom. Sounds like you ( & I ) view the cup "half full" instead of "half empty". I admire that. You sound like the kind of person that "makes it happen" instead of waiting on IT( whatever that may be ) to come to you.

That has been tried since The "Great Society" was started in 1964 by L. Johnson. We have spent 4 trillion $$ on poverty & it hasn't been reduced any at all, in fact, it has been worse. Now the Gov't has incentives to keep a person lazy.

However, that's NOT what makes America what she is today. Hard work, work smart & MAKING it happen !! Good for you gal, you've proven it works !!
I still think work is out there for those who want it. It will not be in manufacturing, but in other areas.

I just depends on how bad someone wants to live the American dream........see ya Mark

[lackocash]

pal ....if you pay 15% i will be impressed ....i am sure you dont....i pay 20%-22% you figure it out... if i have a good cpa i pay less... no one pays 39%-40% ....tell us who pays that....the ceo of walmart your favorite shopping experience perhaps...but that is what he would deserver for pandering...see ya mark.

[acoolmom777]

Some of the problems today in the job market isn't that there isn't any jobs...it's I don't want to work in fast food, or at the pet store, get my hands dirty at a gas station...never... oh god what would people think if they seen me work at Wal-Mart or K-Mart.
Here is a news flash, money is money...if it pays the bills and gets you off welfare..who cares...I went from being an Executive Assistant to pumping gas and changing oil at my hubby's 14 bay service center (back then there were full serve pumps and lets not forget full serve diesel...ewww it smelled). I am a "Jack of all trades and a Master of none", but if it puts food on my table and a roof over my family, then I do it.

[mark]

pal ....if you pay 15% i will be impressed ....i am sure you dont....i pay 20%-22% you figure it out... if i have a good cpa i pay less... no one pays 39%-40% ....tell us who pays that....the ceo of walmart your favorite shopping experience perhaps...but that is what he would deserver for pandering...see ya mark.

OK, you
You've got me on this one. I've looked at some sites & can't find it, but here's something close:
http://www.quicken.com/cms/viewers/article/taxes/25816

Where I coming from is, we pay gas taxes, high property taxes, sales taxes, car tags taxes, merchandise taxes, pick our noses taxes, etc, & on top of that.........then 20+% by April 15th.
The list is endless & liberals/dems wants more.

I'll reask the question again.

How much higher should the taxes be??? ...............see ya Mark

[kdown]

Trade deficit is the real problem

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050511/D8A0VS7G0.html

[lackocash]

i hear your pain mark....the conservative war machine racks up death and misery not to mention debt...as you know debt fuels inflation(an extra tax for the working class in amerika)....hate fuels more hate....that leaves america with her pants down...and no allies to pull them up ...the europeans hate us because of the criminal bushes extremist religious b.s....his cowboy go it alone attitude....the koreans are ready to test their nukes....gee? who will the buyer be...mean while we are bogged down in a criminal enterprise in iraq....france said wait!!!...we respond with freedom fries for lunch and freedom toast for breakfast...are we not clever people watching fox news they are fair and balanced....demonise the liberals(just like hitler and stalin did)...declare open season on the judiciary...stomp out thought and opinion...call activists unpatriotic!!!...pass laws to weaken civil liberties(we dont need civil liberties)...we are at war!!!!...with who ourselves?? ..nothing worse than a trailor park republican...see ya mark!

[kdown]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Retail sales jumped 1.4 percent in April, the strongest showing in six months, as consumers streamed back into auto showrooms and shopping malls, the Commerce Department reported Thursday.

Last month's increase was far better than the 0.8 percent gain many analysts had been expecting and represented a significant rebound from the lackluster 0.4 percent increase in March.

The spending surge was led by a 2.5 percent jump in auto sales. But the strength was widespread with clothing stores posting their best increase in 2 1/2 years. The sales report was more evidence that a dip in economic activity in March was just temporary.

[acoolmom777]

yessssss...I hope I see a difference in my investment money.... :) :p :)

[tkcomer]

Could the increase in spending be tied to this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7762605/ Record amounts of consumer debt is not a good thing when so many families are a few paychecks away from bankruptcy. And don’t forget, almost half of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills people can’t pay because of the lack of insurance.

[acoolmom777]

And don’t forget, almost half of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills people can’t pay because of the lack of insurance.

This is part of an e-mail I wrote to the White House...

"Also to bring down the medical bills for Americans"

I can go to Wal-Mart and buy a full box of 35 Band-Aids for $2.50

Yet when I go to the hospital, they charge me $8.75 for 1 band aide they put across where they gave me a shot.

If they would even come down to the 1 band aide costing the price of one box from Wal-mart it would work out to the following…

$8.75 - $2.50 = $6.25 difference and figure 100 hospitals use 1,000 band aides per day…

$6.25 x 1000 band aides = $6,250.00

$6,250.00 x 100 hospitals =$625,000.00 in savings per day

$625,000.00 x 12 months = $7,500,000.00 per year

That much money in savings would be back in the people’s pockets to spend on other products".


Needless to say my e-mail went on and on..... I write to them so much that I would think twice about it if the knew my addy by heart....lol :eek:

[tkcomer]

That band-aid didn’t cost the hospital $8.75. You pay (Or the insurance company) that much to hospital to make up the cost of the people that don’t have insurance. As more people become uninsured, that band-aid will go up in price. Hospitals have to treat everyone, regardless of their ability to pay. The cost of treating people that can’t pay gets passed on to the ones that can.

[acoolmom777]

I should of posted the other part of my e-mail...lol
about how it is a shame that the Insurance companies are still making a money hand over fist, and that the Japanese don't even how to pay for medical, If they are sick they go to the Doctor/Hospital or Dentist....they have mobile dentist comes to your work...so cool. It go's on and on. The part I posted was just to show how outrageous the price of stuff is...and why Americans are mad about where our money is going and not having a choice about it...

[tkcomer]

In Japan, the government runs the health care system. But then they don’t practice free trade or spend 500 billion dollars a year on the military trying to tell the world how to behave.

[kewjr]

Let us go back to economics 101. The president and congress has little to do with economic situations in this country, as they have no control over the Fed. Talk to Greenspan if you want to complain about economic conditions. Loos or tight money affects the borrowing of corporate America. When we have loose mony, thus low interest rates, companies borrow, and business expands. As the money supply tightens, interest rates increase, thus making marginal decisions to expand sway in the opposite direction.

Let us discuss political party economic theory. Democrats believe that the economy can be stimulated by increasing spending via the public sector. Conversely, Republicans belive that the economy can be stimulated via the private sector, thus tax breaks to the business sector in most cases, and attempting to sway the Fed to lower interest rates. The Republicans are the closest to accurate, but still both parties economic theory are economically unsound, due to reasons cited in the first paragraph.

Another factor not mentioned thus far in any post is the economic life cycle. This is characterized by a period of growth, stagnation, recession, , and recovery. Although the length of each of these cycles lengths are different in each case, and the economy basically flows one way through these cycles.

Other factors wich affect economic health are imfluenced by political agendas. For example, NAFTA did have an impact, although not as large as people imagine. The majority of jobs shipped overseas are ones in which corporate USA cannot get American workers to take. These include telemarketing, support and customer service areas, etc. Although you may disagree, just do some research on the last democratic candidates wife, and the companies she owns overseas.

Truly I lean more republican than Democrat, but support neither party fully. They all try to convince the average American that their party has had something to do with the good economic periods, while the other party had something to do with negative economic periods, which is NOT THE TRUTH. Wake up America!

I worked as a financial analyst for a bank for 10 years, and was an honor student in finance. I have no hidden agenda, only to enlighten those who read this with the truth!

Knowledge is power!

[tkcomer]

Hey, good post. But a few key factors that affect the economy are left out. Trade is one. Congress dictates what countries we trade with. Congress is the one that says we can trade with a country and then allow our factories to go there, taking jobs with them. Jobs that people used to do in this country and would have been spending money and paying taxes in this country if they still had them. Remember, the Heinz Company has factories overseas because of those countries trade restrictions. Build a factory there, sell there. I have no problem with that. Also remember, any time a corporation says it needs immigrant labor because these lazy US citizens don’t want to work is a sham. Corporations do not want to pay the wages it takes to get people to do the job. So they bring immigrants in, pay them low wages and dump them into our social services when things go wrong. And both Democrats and Republicans allowed this. Imagine how much revenue the feds, states and local governments would have if those jobs, that had health care, had stayed here. Also remember, just about all those countries we have “free trade” with have trade restrictions to protect their vital industries. That’s not free trade, that’s managed trade. And they managed to get our factories and jobs while protecting theirs.

[Eddie]

That band-aid didn’t cost the hospital $8.75. You pay (Or the insurance company) that much to hospital to make up the cost of the people that don’t have insurance. As more people become uninsured, that band-aid will go up in price. Hospitals have to treat everyone, regardless of their ability to pay. The cost of treating people that can’t pay gets passed on to the ones that can.
You nailed that one right on the head TK...My question is this. When does it end? I honestly think when the government takes over the hospitals and medical care. I know, they screw up most everything they get involved with, but I don't think they can make it any worst than it is today.

[Eddie]

Some of the problems today in the job market isn't that there isn't any jobs...it's I don't want to work in fast food, or at the pet store, get my hands dirty at a gas station...never... oh god what would people think if they seen me work at Wal-Mart or K-Mart.
Here is a news flash, money is money...if it pays the bills and gets you off welfare..who cares...I went from being an Executive Assistant to pumping gas and changing oil at my hubby's 14 bay service center (back then there were full serve pumps and lets not forget full serve diesel...ewww it smelled). I am a "Jack of all trades and a Master of none", but if it puts food on my table and a roof over my family, then I do it.
Coolmom, I agree that work is work, and there's no shame in working any job, if you can afford it. My point is, how does a single mother of say 2 kids pay a sitter, pay for transportation to and from work, pay rent, and buy food on $6.00 an hour. She's money ahead on welfare. God bless anyone who's out there trying to make it by working, but the fact is, it's almost getting too expensive to work.

[Chuck]

Hi Ken,
Miss you my friend.

But when the President and Congress pass laws that encourage and help company's move to cheap labor is does affect the economic situation greatly in theirs country. Mr. Greenspan has no control over that.

Anyway I have promised to keep my mouth shut for 6 months about the funny little Troll/Man in charge. I got 1 more month.

But I am making a list....

[acoolmom777]

My point is, how does a single mother of say 2 kids pay a sitter, pay for transportation to and from work, pay rent, and buy food on $6.00 an hour.

As for the sitter....state subsidy will pay for that. Parents in have in my daycare on that..pay 9.50 per week for full time childcare and the state picks up the rest.

As for transportation to and from work...I walked 21/2 miles one way to work when I was trying to make my rent and couldn't afford a car.

As for rent...same as I told my son.."Room-mate).

As for buy food...use the food stamps.

We all pay taxes...and if needed use the programs out there when you need too. Also there is a program for single parents, where they will pay for your college if you would like to go that way.

Factory temps start out for more then 6 bucks, do something on the side.
Pray about it God will always open doors.

[kewjr]

I did, in my haste, exclude the effect of certain laws. However, I would once again point out that this is a bipartisan effort. No one political paty is responsible for shipping jobs overseas where labor is cheap.

Our current political system is NOT what our forefathers intended. Politics was not a career, it was a period of service for one's country. Thus is why deep thinking men like Thomas Jefferson limited himself to 2 terms as president, although popular sentiment was for him to lead the nation another term. The power elite has done more to destroy this nation than to promote it. It is all about power. As the saying goes, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If a person is honest, and wants to get elected, they must walk the party line. If you are no a republican or democrat, you will not ne elected president.

An added note, as far as those fast food jobs are concerned, here is where the government is really stupid. Why not let a person on welfare take these jobs without losing all of their benefits. A reasonable person looks at it from the perspective of "why work, make less mony, and lose health coverage and food stamps, etc. Why not reduce the benefits by an amount, and let people keep the rest. Let them keep their dignity by contributing to their families without penalizing them. This would decrease taxation, and build self esteem for those needing help.

Most of all, who do we have to blame for some of the economic situation in this country? Ourselves! We want the best prices on the items we buy at the store. Pride in what one does at a manufacturing job is evaporating. Substandard products stream from our factories. We put in our time at work, and rush out the door. I have done some financial analysis work in the manufacturing industry. Most folks that work in the plant complain about the job, and just do it because "it's a job", or "it pays the bills". In underdeveloped nations, they are happy to get the work, and work for next to nothing. How lucky we are!

[tkcomer]

I disagree to a degree. You can’t buy products made in the USA when the factories have left. A lot of these factories were making a profit, but could make a much bigger profit with low wages, no benefits and less taxes. Even though we were buying their stuff. One of my biggest problems is that they moved to dubious countries with horrendous governments and then come running to congress when the country becomes unstable. And those are the best instances. Other factories were allowed to move to countries that are enemies of the US. Making profits for countries we should not be trading with at all. And we have the most productive workers in the world. We work longer hours, take less vacation, are more efficient and take less sick time than any other industrial country going. Lazy workers are company’s code words for choice. They don’t pay enough or have horrible management styles so they have a high turnover rate at worse or a lackluster workforce at best. What they really want are workers that only have two choices, do what we say or starve. Like it was back in the wonderful late 1800s or early 1900s and just like the countries they are unpatriotically fleeing to now.

[kewjr]

I agree with you there. We were involved in the cold war, then turn around anallow trade with China. HMMMM, makes sense to me. We enacted labor laws to proect individuals against unfair labor practices, then turn around and do trade with countries where what we have outlawed is a standard business practice. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.........