Most important election in decades..........

[mark]

................And here's why:

During the first 70 years of the 20th Century, both the Dem and Rep party were populated by citizens who both recogized the importance of family values, religion, and moral decency in society. It basically "went without being said," because it was just "aright." But as the Dem party became immersed with socialist and communist idealogy and beliefs, it slowly but surely separated itself from what it had stood for during nearly two thirds of a century: conservatism and religious values. That's where the Rep. party took over.

Today, the Democrat party represents (either voluntarily or not) anti-Christianity, Homosexuality, American Socialism and Communism, immorality, intolerance, intentional reverse discrimination, and basically every ideal contrary to Americanism and the original blueprint put forth by our founding fathers. Which brings us to the reason that this election was so important:

This election pitted the most extreme liberal candidates against a conservative incumbent. It pitted socialism and communism against Americanism. It pitted religion against godlessness. It pitted family values, morals, decency in society, and our right to worship as we see fit against a ideal that has no place for God, pride in America, and decent family structure.

It was a battle of good against evil, and fortunately, this time, Good won out.

I, at least for one, will be committed during the next four years ( as I was in the last 4 months ) in striving to convince as many former Democrats as I can that they have been totally abandoned by their own party, ( like yotaamerican said last week ) just as Democrat Zell Miller stated during the Republican Convention. He had it exactly right, and is perfectly justified in being enraged and indignant at his party's extreme leanings.

I know a lot of my Democrat friends on here are good, honest, God-loving people, and they are just as disgusted as I am about the liberals in this country, but right now, they still vote mostly along party lines........big mistake.

They don't like what's going on in the Dem party, but they aren't ready, just yet to switch sides.

That's where you are about to see a BIG change in the two main political parties. More and more former conservative democrats will trickle to the Republican side until it will no longer be a matter of voting Rep or Dem, but voting Liberal or Conservative. As a matter of fact, it was obvious during this election, as Bush won higher percentages of women's, black's, and youth's votes than he did during the 2000 election. That trend will continue and increase.......

That's what's coming my friends, unless the dems change their ways & quickly.

Comments?? .......see ya Mark

[Tracie]

Um, hey Mark... elections over... move on. Thanks!

-Tracie.

[Jeremy]

I agree with Tracie on this, but there were a few comments I wanted to make about what Mark had to say.

I think my problem is with the following statement:

"It was a battle of good against evil, and fortunately, this time, Good won out."

Mark, I don't know how I can convince you that those of us who believe that religion and government should be separate are not necessarily evil. I am not an atheist, but I do believe there is no place for organized religious beliefs in government. I also do not believe that atheism automatically equates a lack of morals either.

Often I hear that we need to get back to what the founding fathers wanted, as you say "the original blueprint". This is the only country on the face of the planet that was founded by those who were escaping the persecution of a state-sponsored religion. The founding fathers are those people. I believe that these people were some of the most brilliant people who ever lived. Certainly they were some of the greatest politicians that ever lived. Rather than simply solving the problems of the day, they looked long into the future and set up a set of guidelines that were timeless. There is a reason that the Constitution that they authored has only been amended twenty-six times. It covered so much. It made so many compromises for the sake of fairness. There are so many checks and balances. It not only formed a government, it also protected us from the government persecution to which they were subjected.

In the years that followed the founding of our country the United States opened it's doors to immigrants from around the world. Each of these cultures brought their own histories and traditions and religions. And the Constitution was tested and it bore the test and it held the country together. Why? Because all of those cultures were seen as equal in the eyes of the law. None of them were given special preference. Many see democracy as majority rules. If that is the case, then the Constitution is not completely a democratic document in the purest terms. It also protects minorities from the majority.

When you say religious values, I know that you don't mean a state-sponsored religion. I know that you feel Christianity is under attack, and that homosexuality is a sin, that communism is wrong for moral reasons, and that there is a severe lack of morals in this country. I know that you would like things to be more like they were. I know that you are a good and moral person and that you want the world to be a better place. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just trying to say that I get your vision. You might be right. I'm not even going to say you're wrong or that I disagree with you.

What I will say is that moral values are not the exclusive territory of those who call themselves Christian, or Republican, or even conservative. You can be Islamic and think that stealing is wrong because Allah forbids it. You can be Hindu and believe that stealing is wrong because you might reincarnate as the one who is stolen from and think that it is bad karma. You can be Buddhist and believe that stealing is wrong because it causes undue suffering. You can be the most cynical atheist and believe that stealing is wrong because it causes a company's insurance rates to go up making their products more expensive. You can be a Democrat and think that homosexuality is a sin and that these people will go to the other place, and still protect them from government intrusion believing that it is entirely within their right to go to the other place. You can be from another country, and not only disagree with Americanism but be afraid of it, and still have moral values. Like I said in another post, you can also believe that God can speak for himself without disagreeing with what he said. This does not make people who believe this evil or lacking in moral values.

The labels you called good are just labels. People who believe in family values can also abuse their children. Men of the cloth can also be gay. Christians can go on holy wars and Hindus can be addicted to crack and rob folks to support their addiction. Catholics can be promiscuous. The list goes on. Maybe some of those people are evil and maybe they just have some serious issues they need to work on.

Even those who adhere strictly to Christian ethics and believe all the things you mentioned, and more importantly act on them, can still be harming others. God said let man have dominion over the Earth and so we pollute it and poison people and cause extinctions of God's creatures and so on. Tree hugging is not necessarily evil. And these by-the-book Christians are liberals and conservatives and many other labels alike. Not evil really, just not thinking about life a hundred years down the road.

I try not to think liberal or conservative, but if I swing a little to the left, I am one of those people you're trying to convince. Really, thinking about all the things I said above, do you really believe that Democrats and liberals, atheists, non-terroristic Islamists and all the other "evil ones" don't want a better life for themselves and others just because they disagree on how to obtain that life? Can we at least say I'm not evil even if we don't go so far as moral? I swear I'll lighten up if you just take back the evil thing, promise :)

[Chuck]

I wouldn't apply for sainthood as of yet. Born in to sin and all that.

I realty never viewed the election as an "American Holy War", a "Christan Jihad" so to speak.

Is there something I should know?
Is the country headed for another civil war?

[mark]

......Hmmmm.............Jeremy, some of your post I can agree with & some I cannot, however, I won't debate it here anymore.
You can lighten up my friend, I take back this statement:

It was a battle of good against evil, and fortunately, this time, Good won out.

Regarding Tracie's post, she's right, the election is over.

Subject dropped..................see ya Mark

[Chuck]

Come on Mark. Answer me Bro. LOL

I guess I am having to much fun with it. America has spoken and they have chosen the President. Some are sadden and some are happy. All n all we must make the best of it and live together.

Battles will take us backward, solutions will pull us together. I think people need to decided if they are will to make a compromise and this is on both sides of the party fence.

If the republicans have the attitude they "We Won, You Lost. Ha Ha Ha" and the Democrats have the attitude that "All hope is Lost" then this country is going the divide.

I believe we can find common ground and build from that. Both sides feel that a change is needed. I really don't believe that voting in 1 person is a bad thing if that person is willing to fight for all as equals.

I recall before the election I said if Bush won I would support him and reserve the right to complain after a time limit.

This past election (As I stated in past posts) was an embarrassment. It was a competition on an elementary school level. Regardless of who won we all lost. This was in part by the nature of the competition.

It was like 2 teams cheering there favorite team or car driver. Equally as divided as if we where at a high school basketball game.

If Kerry had won I would say the same thing, "We elected a person that could care less about us as individuals". We don't make enough money to fall into their radar. We barley even fall into the radar of our local politicians.

So the real question is if your team won (Or even if it was my team)

How come both sides still have an empty feeling equal in size?

What are we going to do to fill that emptiness as a group?

[acoolmom777]

very good post...well said.. America is only as good as its people.

[Jeremy]

Hey, Mark, like I said, as long as I'm not evil anything goes.

Please don't stop debating your views, especially on account of me. I am often wrong... just ask my wife! In fact, I'm sure you will find many folks who want to make the switch along party lines. Probably many who voted for Bush during the election were Democrats who think that Bush is doing a good job to stop terror or believe he would do a better job than Kerry. Take care, my friend. Keep posting!